Posted on 01/01/2005 9:18:56 PM PST by nj26
To GW's way of thinking, as long she keeps his illegals plan alive that would be okay.
Is he a globalist? He will be secretly knighted at Davos for his work. We are focused on the word "amnesty", but we should instead focus on this Global Job auction and the fine details which will swamp this country in anarchy. Every crappy country in the world will send its poor to this country as a way to get into the remittances racket. Every government will be able for the price of a cutline airline ticket be able to rid themselves of a poor person and then reap thousands when "our" money is shipped back home.
Oh really? As written, the 14th Amendment was NOT intended to grant citizenship to the children of foreign subjects.
The Slaughterhouse Cases are the first Supreme Court interpretation of the 14th Amendment on record. The author of the majority opinion is a contemporary of those who drafted and debated the Amendment. The following text is from the majority opinion (about 3/4 of the way down the linked source page):
Slaughterhouse Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1872) (USSC+)
Opinions
MILLER, J., Opinion of the Court
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
The first observation we have to make on this clause is that it puts at rest both the questions which we stated to have been the subject of differences of opinion. It declares that persons may be citizens of the United States without regard to their citizenship of a particular State, and it overturns the Dred Scott decision by making all persons born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction citizens of the United States. That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, "subject to its jurisdiction" was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.
Amen! What a great post!
I love the Bounty Idea, along with the Heavy Fines on the Many Blankety Blank Employers.
That is an excellent way to Send the Message-You are NOT Welcome Here!
Once that word gets around, most illegals will go home on their own!!!
See Post #43.
I don't think he's going to ignore the provisions of a bill that includes some of his objectives. This is an opportunity for Congress to tackle an issue that they have been content to complain and do nothing about for longer than Bush has been in Washington. This is also an opportunity to put this issue front and center in a national debate because despite the passion here, illegal immigration was not a top 5 issue to voters in November.
I agree with you that enforcement should be the first step, it should have been the step years and years ago. Now we have multiple million person problem. It seems to me that we have to consider how to best recover from the years of failure and how to best go forward. There will be a price to pay to recover (eg guest worker program) but is that worth more years of doing nothing?
"His family escaped to Canada durring the Revolution and fought for us to stay part of England "
Have you got a reference for that? I've been told from other family members that we have a heritage connection with the Bush family, but I've never heard that. My ancestors fought in the revolution for the colonies.
Excerpts from Why Immigrants In Los Angeles (AND THEIR U.S.-BORN CHILDREN) Can't Read
September 25, 2004
A new study by the United Way of Los Angeles finds that 53 percent of the city's adult population — 3.8 million people — are functionally illiterate. [United Way, Literacy@Work: The L.A. Workforce Literacy Project, September 2004.]
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The percentage soars to 84 percent in heavily Hispanic south L.A., dropping to 44 percent in the greater San Fernando Valley.
snip
The distortion of the L.A. economy is sobering. Employers complain that they can't find workers for high-skilled jobs, but the low wage, low-skill economy is booming. The county employment forecast shows that 282,000 new jobs in the $16,000 to $26,000 pay range will be created by 2008. These jobs include cashiers, dishwashers, security guards, and other occupations requiring only brief on-the-job-training and limited language skills.
Wages for all of these unskilled positions have declined in L.A. County for the past 15 years — exactly what you would expect in a workforce inundated by functionally illiterate immigrants.
" This is an opportunity for Congress to tackle an issue that they have been content to complain and do nothing about for longer than Bush has been in Washington. "
Not really. Several congressmen have brought bills up in the past 3 or 4 years only to have them shot down by leadership or the White House. Here's one opinion.
______________________________________________________
Congress of the United States
House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515-0502
Dec. 14, 2004
Dear [Constituent];
Thank you for contacting me regarding efforts to grant amnesty to aliens illegally living in the United States. I value your point of view, and I appreciate the opportunity to respond.
Legislation has been proposed to allow a blanket amnesty to those persons who have chosen to unlawfully enter the United States and who have stayed despite laws, which prohibit this behaviour.
This proposal causes me great concern. Most of us were immigrants to this country at some time in our family’s past. This does not, however, justify rewarding the illegal activity of contemporary migrants with instant citizenship. While many thousands of legal aliens wait extremely long periods of time (often up to nine years)
for their immigration status to be processed lawfully, it would be unfair and unwise of us to grant amnesty to those who have betrayed our trust and have broken our laws.
I have successfully fought in the past to pass legislation that fundamentally reformed our immigration system, and I will continue to fight toward this end. Illegal immigration costs California taxpayers alone over $3 billion each year. While our reforms have made a critical first step toward reducing this burden, our job is far from complete. As Congress considers any Administration amnesty request, we will need to make some though decisions about the effectiveness of such a program on reducing illegal immigration into the United States..............
Sincerely,
Wally Herger
Member of Congress
____________________________________
Congressional Switchboard: 1-877-762-8762
Find your reps at www.house.gov
Speaking of LA, here's what one resident has to say after having been in this battle for 12 years.
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http://www.theterryandersonshow.com/
Jan. 31, 2003, 8:32PM
African-Americans drowning in wave
of illegal immigration
By TERRY ANDERSON
THE black community has made great strides in the last few
decades. Racism has certainly not been eradicated, but it is no
longer accepted with a wink and a nod as it once was. We are
proud to see Secretary of State Colin Powell, even when we do
not agree with everything he does. The same with Condoleezza
Rice, the president's national security adviser, and many others.
That's the good news.
The bad news is that in some regions we black folks are so
overwhelmed by the huge numbers of immigrants that we are
being displaced in our schools, jobs and neighborhoods.
That may seem a harsh thing for a black person to say against
brown people, but I don't see it that way. I am an American,
proud of both my nation and my race. What I see in my
community of South Central Los Angeles -- where I have lived
nearly all my life -- is thousands of Mexicans who care nothing
about our traditions and culture, and only want to impose their
way on us. That's not immigration, that is invasion.
It is sad what has happened in my neighborhood. This was a
respectable, blue-collar area of hard-working black folks living in
their bungalows and going to their jobs. In just a couple decades it
has become almost entirely Mexican. They live several families to
a three-bedroom house and keep chickens in the yard, but the
city doesn't care about the zoning violations or the noise of having
so many crowded into a small space.
According to the Census Bureau, nearby Watts is now 60 percent
Hispanic, and it was previously the black community on the West
Coast. No longer.
The immigration situation is really hard on our young people. A
17-year-old kid on my street couldn't get a job at McDonald's
because he didn't speak Spanish. Another young neighbor boy
was thrown into a bilingual classroom at age 8 and was forced to
listen to Spanish all day long. His six-hour school day was turned
into three hours. When his mother asked for an English-only class,
she was told "there are none."
Would you believe that I, a black man, have been called a racist
many times for speaking up against this invasion? I have a radio
program on the subject and therefore hear from a lot of people,
even some in Mexico.
When they call me a racist, I put this question to them: What if a
hundred thousand Vietnamese were suddenly dropped into
Guadalajara? And what if those newcomers didn't speak Spanish,
and further insisted that their children be taught in Vietnamese?
What would you think if they were happy to work for half the
normal wages for any job they could get, thereby putting
thousands of your local Guadalajarans out of work? Would it be
racist to say there was a problem?
When people of good will and good sense hear the situation put
that way, nearly all understand and respect my viewpoint.
Now if only they would listen in Washington. America's political
leaders are the problem. They have been selling out this great
nation for real and imaginary political benefits while ignoring the
dangers. Even after Sept. 11, nothing has been done to plug up
our borders. Another terrorist attack could be 10 times worse,
and it would likely happen because Congress and the president
learned nothing about the need to keep the nation's borders
secure.
If I sound angry, you hear right. Like other Americans, I want
immigration to be legal, controlled and reduced. But as a black
American, I see that the burden my people must carry is heavier
than for many others. I am sure that if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.,
were alive, he would understand the fundamental unfairness to the
black community of allowing more immigration than the nation can
handle.
If you ain’t mad, you ain’t payin’ attention!
He makes my point. Getting the issue on the table via the White House is an opportunity to both deal past failures and the future. Reactionary responses to the guest worker program does neither.
Our revolution AND our 'civil war' were fought between cousins and within families - it's safe to bet that any one here with roots in western europe had relatives on both sides in both wars.
It's safe as well to assume that we all had relatives who at least tried to hold themselves out of the whole thing & backed neither side.
"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the UN Charter to which we will henceforth pledge our allegiance."
-- George Herbert Walker Bush, in a speech before the UN, 2/1/92
You are correct.
As a CONSERVATIVE I am opposed to the "liberalization" of the President's Amnesty Program he is dedicated to forcing down our throats. The will of the people is being ignored on this issue and you can rest assured this problem will be decided by True Conservatives not Republi-cans. Conservatives used to be considered one in the same until recently politicians now find it chic and acceptable to ignore those of the True Conservative Vent and are in for big surpriseswhen they suddenly realize the subtle differences being forced upon us. People tire of supporting and paying for things that do not recriprocate in kind. It can be good once again but not with the current mindset. People do matter and their opinions show in the voting booth. Ignore us if you dare but our numbers are rising and you will find us more than your equal but fair minded. We are not the enemy. The President got my vote but not willingly, only because there was not a strong enough candidate to step up. The president is not the "ONLY" person who loves America and we the People are grooming a better choice so you can finally feel like you are a part of a system that will respond and not "DICTATE" terms that fly in the face of logic and reason. In a Republic everything is open for debate and discussion; a mob rulled democracy cares nothing for individual rights. My Birthright is not negotiable to be bartered away. As Americans we live by the "RULE OF LAW"! GET LEGAL OR GET OUT!
Then does it follow that since 1872, all of the children born in the US, to foreign citizen parents, have wrongly been given citizenship?
I'm not a lawyer. However the case you cite has apparently been ignored.
Can you explain why it has been ignored for 126 years?
Thanks for posting that.
"Ignore us if you dare"
You are right. This party may pay a price for compromising true CONSERVATIVE principles and giving amnesty (by another name) to illegal aliens.
And that price may be the election of Hillary Rodham Clinton. I fear that we may be crying our eyes out as we watch Hillary Rodham Clinton's 2008 inauguration unless we can stop Bush from forcing amnesty upon the American people.
Bush will be long gone in 2008, and we'll be the price for his mistakes.
It runs way deeper than George W. Bush. It's his whole administration.
Still, hopefully, if he WAS impeached for deriliction of duty, it would scare the rest of the government into looking out for America first.
But let's face it. America is dead. It's nearly time to pick up the pieces and move on.
No. It means that the status of children born to foreign citizen parents in the country without leave of the American people is unadjudicated. As Carry_Okie will point out to you, the judicial history centers on those here legally, "with inspection" (Wong Kim Ark, Slaughterhouse cases).
As he pointed out before, the legislators who wrote the 14th Amendment were well aware of the difference, having debated and inserted the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Abiding by one part of the amendment while ignoring the other part of it makes no sense.
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