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N.Y. Muslim group held at border
NY Daily News ^ | 12/30/2004 | LESLIE CASIMIR

Posted on 12/30/2004 2:08:16 PM PST by Marine Inspector

Carloads of Muslim New Yorkers, all U.S. citizens, were detained for hours by federal agents after they returned from an Islamic convention held in Toronto over the weekend. A Pace University student said she was asked by a border patrol officer at the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge crossing whether the wire in her bra was a weapon. A white Flushing resident said U.S. officials refused to tell her why she was being held for eight hours.

"It's just appalling," said Jean Tassi, 53. "If I didn't have on a head covering, I would have never been stopped."

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection official said agents acted on intelligence that conventioneers may have terrorists in their cars.

"We understand that most of these conferences are legitimate, but it is our duty, it is incumbent on us to verify the identity of everybody entering the U.S. - even citizens," said Kristi Clemens, a Washington spokeswoman. "I understand their frustration."

More than 30 people had attended "Reviving the Islamic Spirit" convention at the Skydome that was billed as a spiritually uplifting event.

"I refuse to be treated like this in my own country," said Miriam Soliman, 20, a Brooklyn-born finance major who said she was interrogated about her underwire bra.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aliens; bcbp; bigbrother; billofrights; bordersecurity; cbp; fingerprints; islam; muslimamericans; religionofpeace; terrowar; trop; usconstitution; waronterror; whiningmuslims; wtcattacks
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To: Edgerunner; Rodney King; Ginifer; Mr. Mojo; Happy2BMe; b4its2late; Blood of Tyrants; pierrem15; ...

What would you say if I told you these U.S. Citizens were forced to be fingerprinted and photographed before CBP let them go?


21 posted on 12/30/2004 2:28:11 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector

I would say "GOOD"


22 posted on 12/30/2004 2:30:10 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

And what would you say, if CBP did the same to you?


23 posted on 12/30/2004 2:31:15 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
Hmmmm. Let me think about this for a bit. Muslims terrorists have been actively murdering innocent people (Americans especially) all over the planet for some time now. In fact, the only non-muslim related terrorism I can think of is Catholic vs. Protestant in Ireland, and that can probably easily be solved by taking away their Guiness. Or giving them lots of free Guiness.

Recently, so-called "muslim extremists" committed the most deadly attack on American soil ever against predominantly civilian targets. The attackers entered the United States through gaping holes in our border security. So called "moderate muslims" around the world and here in the U.S. have been slow to condemn and often quick to applaud the terrorist acts of so-called "extremist muslims". Either way, they have done almost nothing to expose and catch the murderers among them.

You're muslim. And you're surprised we're taking our time to thoroughly check you over when you come into this country, citizen or no? I think it's time to actively work to redeem your faith and expose the murderers we know are among you, or STFU. And before you keep whining about being treated unfairly, think on this: the Japanese did less, and look at what we did to them. It could be a lot worse for you.

24 posted on 12/30/2004 2:34:45 PM PST by pillbox_girl
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To: Marine Inspector
"It's just appalling," said Jean Tassi, 53. "If I didn't have on a head covering, I would have never been stopped."

So take it off, and shut the hell up. Or better yet, go back to Islamabad.

25 posted on 12/30/2004 2:34:51 PM PST by montag813
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To: Marine Inspector
What would you say if I told you these U.S. Citizens were forced to be fingerprinted and photographed before CBP let them go?

Not sure. Depends on the kind of cooperation that exits between the two agencies.

26 posted on 12/30/2004 2:34:53 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Marine Inspector

I invite this b*tch to any airport to see how all Americans are being treated because of a group of muslim terrorists. Then I invite her and her friends into the AZ desert to discuss any further problems she may have on how she's being treated. She won't be complaining anymore.


27 posted on 12/30/2004 2:35:22 PM PST by jjones9853
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To: Marine Inspector
I've gotten the 3rd degree from the CPB, including being held and having my id checked, on more than one occasion.

It usually happens after the CBP asks, "do you or anyone in your family own a firearm, and, if so, how many and what kind... ?"

28 posted on 12/30/2004 2:35:30 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: Marine Inspector
I would say "Don't you guys have anything better to do? ....like harrass little old ladies from Pasadena, for instance?" < / sarc >

Yes, profiling saves lives.

29 posted on 12/30/2004 2:35:33 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Rodney King
Would you allow CBP to fingerprint you?

Personally, I find it disturbing that CBP is starting to detain and fingerprinting US citizens returning home.

30 posted on 12/30/2004 2:38:03 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
Would you allow CBP to fingerprint you?

Oh, I understand. I would find it disturbing if they did it to me on the way home.

31 posted on 12/30/2004 2:39:39 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: pierrem15
It usually happens after the CBP asks, "do you or anyone in your family own a firearm, and, if so, how many and what kind... ?"

I've been doing this for 7 years, and have never heard any CBP officer, Immigration Officer, or Customs Officer as that question of anyone seeking entry into the US.

32 posted on 12/30/2004 2:39:57 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Yes, profiling saves lives.

And if we decided you fit into a profile, what would you think then?

I have many profiles I use during my inspections.

Extra scrutiny and questioning is one thing, but fingerprinting and photographing US Citizens, because of race or religion, is a road I don't want to travel down.

33 posted on 12/30/2004 2:43:03 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
Considering we're now in the middle of a war against Islamic terrorism, I'd say that detaining Muslims entering the U.S. is smart policy.
34 posted on 12/30/2004 2:44:53 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Rodney King
This is exactly what I was afraid of, when INS was rolled into DHS.

It's only a matter of time, before DHS decides everyone will be fingerprinted and photographed before being let back into the US.

35 posted on 12/30/2004 2:46:03 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Mr. Mojo

You look Muslim to me, so I think I'll detain you and fingerprint you and your family.

Do we really want to go there?


36 posted on 12/30/2004 2:47:42 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
"What would you say if I told you these U.S. Citizens were forced to be fingerprinted and photographed before CBP let them go?"

I'd say ok. If you decide to leave the country, then you must abide by the laws of the country you go visit. If you don't want to participate or "put-up" with inconveniences then keep your butt at home (problem solved).
37 posted on 12/30/2004 2:47:52 PM PST by Ginifer
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To: Ginifer

This is their country. Their country is fingerprinting them.

I guess you would not mind me fingerprinting you?


38 posted on 12/30/2004 2:49:01 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
Do we really want to go there?

Do we want to? No. Do we have to? Probably.

And I suspect that after the next major terror attack you'll likely agree.

39 posted on 12/30/2004 2:50:16 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Marine Inspector

My fingerprints are already on file...served in the military. Print away....I'm not concerned about fingerprinting, what I'm more concerned about are terrorist and illegals crossing our borders.


40 posted on 12/30/2004 2:52:02 PM PST by Ginifer
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