"However, you should note that I did address the substance of your "what the right thing to do is" claims. Explain how I "certainly don't care" when I cared to respond substantively as well."
You attacked me and my motives for posting. Obviously you didn't want to hear what I had to say or you wouldn't have attacked me.
"substantively"? How much time have you spent in the ocean? I have surfed in big waves, even waves caused by a hurricane.
As far as telling people what they should do in similar circumstances, you were right. It doesn't matter. No one reading this will ever be faced with a similar situation. I shouldn't have posted my advice.
There's a world of difference between the physics involved with wind driven waves and the Tsunami shown in the photos on this thread. No amount of surfing experience at Waimea or the Pipe would have done you any good in the situation shown in these photos. If you had attempted to run out and dive under the Tsunami shown you would have certainly died. End of story.
You know of examples?There are claims a British scuba diver was 15 meters down when she was hit and pulled out. Frankly, I suspect that is typical British tabloid exaggeration, but she was likely farther down than a couple feet from the surface. Wherever she actually was, I would agree with you that she had much better odds than if she had been standing knee deep on the beach. She did survive anyway.
The breaking edge of a wave is the only part that has dangerous moving water. Just as moving water has tremendous destructive power, a few feet of still water has amazing insulating qualities.I’m not sure I understand what portion of the waver you are referring to here. (I am assuming you mean a tsunami rather than a regular wind wave.)
Speaking vertically, if you are deep enough, obviously its only the top that’s moving and you’ll be fine. That seems to me to be very remote from anyone standing in the water. I figure you mean horizontal edge, as that is the part that is moving inward and is dangerous, getting hit and then thrust horizontally forward.
If so, your statement still seems a little vague to me. I believe you mean that, while the entire wave is moving, the moving water behind the front edge isn’t dangerous? Is that what you mean? If not, if you mean that only the front edge is moving, that would be plainly wrong. The moving portion of the tsunami is rather long, compared to a wind wave. If the only moving water is the front edge, where does all the rest of the water come from? It isn’t just a front edge that comes piling into those towns. That water has to come from somewhere, and it had to be moving to get there.
So, I assume you mean that only the front edge is dangerous. However, that is also wrong. The tsunami kills many of its victims by banging them up against debris, and the debris is all over the place once it hits the shore (and during the trip back out). Once you get caught in it and dragged along, whether you were hit by the front edge or not, you are very, very likely to run into things, on the way in or the way out. To contend that this moving water isn’t dangerous is wrong. It is very nearly just as dangerous as the front edge.
Anyway, I would agree that if you get far enough down you can get under the tsunami and be (relatively) safe. I just think you need something deep enough to really get down there, and that you are going to be there for awhile. If you’ve only got a couple feet, fine, it’s better than just standing there. I just don’t think its usually going to be enough.
You attacked me and my motives for posting.I attacked your style of posting.
After my first response to you, you suggested I shouldn’t get angry. My “attack” was in response, as I was trying to explain to you why I was annoyed with your posts, and that it was your style that was annoying me. Your motives are your own. On that subject I simply said you probably meant well, but that your posts didn’t come across well, which is hardly a vicious attack on your motives.
Obviously you didn't want to hear what I had to say or you wouldn't have attacked me.You seem to think you have the ability to divine my motives. This, despite the fact that I already corrected you on this. Perhaps you know me better than I know myself. It is very strange to complain that I’m attacking your motives for posting, and then to go ahead and attack me for my motives for posting. Making up my motivation is even stranger.
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