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Taunting the Libertarian Bull
CITIZEN OUTREACH ^ | 12/16/2004 | Chuck Muth

Posted on 12/26/2004 6:30:43 PM PST by logician2u

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Chuck Muth has several times in the past taken the LP to task for spoiling the Republicans' chances, "siphoning off" votes he thought were rightfully the property of (usually) Republicans of the RINO stripe.

It's refreshing to see that he has come around to the view that the Republican Party -- and especially the leadership of the Republican Party -- must take the blame for an electoral strategy that panders to virtually every interest group except those who would like to see the size and scope of government reduced. Rather than dismissing the Libertarians as "loonies," thereby assuring that their votes go to a loser rather than a Republican, why not appeal for their votes? They count just the same as everyone else's, after all. And in a close race, you'd think savvy politicians would want every vote they could get.

But it's so much more rewarding to slash the tires and keep the Libertarian bus from rolling in the next election.

1 posted on 12/26/2004 6:30:43 PM PST by logician2u
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dismissing the Libertarians as "loonies,"...

You are loonies. big time.

2 posted on 12/26/2004 6:38:30 PM PST by Drango (Those who advocate robbing (taxing) Peter to pay Paul...will always have the support of Paul.)
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Do Libertarians (with a capital L) support homosexual marriage? If that is why they voted for Ms. Bennett in such large numbers I'll understand better and possibly agree that they probably tooks votes away from Gregoire more than Rossi.
3 posted on 12/26/2004 6:39:27 PM PST by vox_freedom
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4 posted on 12/26/2004 6:40:23 PM PST by Drango (Those who advocate robbing (taxing) Peter to pay Paul...will always have the support of Paul.)
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And they called our Founding Fathers "loonies" also while the tories and the "we don't give a damned" carried on in their merry states of subjugation.
5 posted on 12/26/2004 6:41:05 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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I believe the Libertarian candidate in Washington state was some feminist-lesbian-vagatarian. If she was not in the race, Gregoir would have won hands down.


6 posted on 12/26/2004 6:41:52 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death (/i)
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She was, but that doesn't make the losertarians any less loonie.


7 posted on 12/26/2004 6:43:46 PM PST by Drango (Those who advocate robbing (taxing) Peter to pay Paul...will always have the support of Paul.)
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Everyone should recognize that the two party system is best. If you feel your views are not being represented, you either change parties or influence your party to change.


8 posted on 12/26/2004 6:45:12 PM PST by polyester~monkey (4 Senate seats, 4 House Seats, and 52% of the popular vote: AMERICA HAS SPOKEN)
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To: vox_freedom
Uhhh . . read the article first.

Muth is not in any way suggesting that Libertarians voted for the D candidate, rather that the presence of an L candidate (as an alternative to both the R and D candidates) could have tipped the election, ever so slightly, to the Democrat. He may have a point.

9 posted on 12/26/2004 6:45:58 PM PST by logician2u
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Would you know how many votes the Green Party candidate recieved?


10 posted on 12/26/2004 6:52:46 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: logician2u

"The Republican Party -- and especially the leadership of the Republican Party -- must take the blame for an electoral strategy that panders to virtually every interest group except those who would like to see the size and scope of government reduced."

Pretty much! I mean, the Dems are far worse, of course, when it comes to pandering. I'm not ashamed to be a Republican. But obviously this "pass the buck" mentality about cutting spending is rampant and voters need to hold Republicans to their small government ideals.


11 posted on 12/26/2004 6:56:04 PM PST by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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Everyone should recognize that the two party system is best.

Do you want to finish the sentence? Best for whom? For the politicians? Maybe. For the survival of the Republic? Open to debate, which is why we are having it on this thread and countless others.

If you feel your views are not being represented, you either change parties or influence your party to change.

That's exactly what many people have done and will continue to do until they tire of bumping into that same old brick wall.

12 posted on 12/26/2004 6:56:33 PM PST by logician2u
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Taunting bulls is dangerous, but some of the things he objects to are just ordinary politics. If you want libertarians to run against Republicans they don't like, you can hardly expect Republicans not to mount candidates for offices that libertarians are running for. A party that lets its competitors have "clear shots" at public offices is a party on the way out.

But it looks like this time the Libertarians hurt the Democrat in Washington State. So maybe the Republicans knew what they were doing.

13 posted on 12/26/2004 7:06:22 PM PST by x
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Would you know how many votes the Green Party candidate recieved?

Don't know offhand. Knowing the liberal, enviro-conscious tendencies of the Pacific Northwest it would not surprise me if the Greens got more votes than the Libertarians this time around.

However, Muth is not offering free advice for Democrats on how to reclaim their "lost" votes. If they want to split the Greens off permanently, that's fine with him -- and with me, for that matter. Better to isolate them than to have one party (or both, as things are now headed) accept the Earth religion as gospel.

14 posted on 12/26/2004 7:08:06 PM PST by logician2u
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Uhhh . . read the article first. Muth is not in any way suggesting that Libertarians voted for...

How about answering my question, or did you read it?

Do Libertarians (with a capital L) support homosexual marriage?

15 posted on 12/26/2004 7:12:24 PM PST by vox_freedom
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To: polyester~monkey
Everyone should recognize that the two party system is best

"Don't blame me, I voted for Khodos"

16 posted on 12/26/2004 7:13:10 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (There are only two kinds of people. Those who divide people into two kinds, and those who don't)
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But it looks like this time the Libertarians hurt the Democrat in Washington State.

Would you care to elaborate? The ugly lesbian feminist vote, maybe? Or vegetarians? (I'm only picking up on what Blue Screen of Death posted; who the Libertarians ran for governor was never reported on the wire services, so that's the best we've got for now.)

It appears the Democrat will take office after winning the recount. Close is only good in horseshoes and hand grenades, they always say.

17 posted on 12/26/2004 7:15:50 PM PST by logician2u
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Anyone numb enough to vote for the Libertarian candidate is far enough out of touch with reality that courting their votes would lose you more mainstream votes that you would gain.

They are contrarian. They don't want to vote Republican. I seriously considered joining them once. Then I met them. They were way to weird for me.
18 posted on 12/26/2004 7:16:54 PM PST by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
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'Nuff said.
19 posted on 12/26/2004 7:19:15 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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I think that tilting the Wash. Republican campaign toward Libertarian values likely would have lost enough government-handout votes to be counterproductive. But having said that, it appears Chris Vance truly is a moron.


20 posted on 12/26/2004 7:24:58 PM PST by Kerfuffle
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