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To: scripter

He's playing stupid games, not being honest, he's all pretense and falsity. And I'm not going to add his name in the "to" box even if I'm referring to him.

There's nothing I loathe more than a liar. It's like trying to grab smoke. You can't debate honestly with slime that lies.


675 posted on 01/13/2005 11:49:43 PM PST by little jeremiah (The "Gay Agenda" exists only in the minds of little jeremiah and his cohort. - Modern Man)
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To: little jeremiah
Honorable people can disagree with one another without engaging in ad hominem attacks.

What purpose would be served by me "lying"? Haven't I given you folks enough ammunition in this thread to vent your hostility toward gays?

What possible benefit would be derived from me "lying" about anything? Is there ANYONE in this thread that SUPPORTS my position? Whom, in this thread, am I attempting to influence by concealing my "true" position on some matter---so as not to alienate them? Is there ANYONE in this thread who has expressed any interest whatsoever in re-considering some of their own conclusions? Obviously not! So, tactically, what could I hope to achieve by "lying"?

In fact, hypothetically, is there ANYTHING I could have said AT ANY POINT that would have caused you to express admiration or respect for my point of view? Of course not! So why do you pretend that you have some genuine interest in civil discussion?

Incidentally, for the record, I did NOT begin this thread with the idea that I would be engaging in a "debate" about anything. Instead, I anticipated that perhaps 20 or 30 people might respond and provide THEIR predictions about the consequences of legalized same-sex marriages. From those responses, I thought I could compile a list of whatever most bothered critics of same-sex marriages. And, at some point, it would be possible to compare the predictions to what actually occurs in the U.S. or in other countries.

Early on, however, your side of this dispute started attacking my character. Some responses used crude and vulgar descriptions about gays. Other responses expressed undisguised visceral disgust against ALL gays---just for being gay. Nobody on your side of this discussion rebuked those persons. [If the reverse situation existed, I would not hesitate to rebuke any gay person who immediately engaged in hostile personal attacks.]

I recognize that deeply held beliefs can result in occasional hyperbole. I also recognize that some folks say things in the heat of debate that they subsequently regret saying. I have no problem acknowledging that such lapses should NOT necessarily be considered representative of a particular point of view. But, this constant attack on my character and integrity reveals more about YOU, my friend, than it does about me.


677 posted on 01/14/2005 8:56:45 AM PST by Ernie.cal
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