Since you're apparently playing games and running from questions (by responding to them without answering them), I'll not waste anymore of my time.
I very much encourage you to read what former homosexuals have to say on the matter. You might want to start with reading the short bios of former homosexuals in post 604, 605, and 606.
For even more information, checkout my categorical index:
Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of LinksThere's a huge update coming soon, with nearly 800 categorized articles on the homosexual agenda.
You might find the following helpful as well:
Another great read:
After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90's The Pink Swastika The Death of Right and Wrong
The Homosexual Propaganda and Media Manipulation Game...Happy reading.
"I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted--but that no one could really change their sexual orientation. I now believe that's untrue--some people can and do change." Spitzer completely changed his mind whether or not some homosexuals can change. And then Spitzer concluded with:
"the mental health professionals should stop moving in the direction of banning therapy that has, as a goal, a change in sexual orientation. Many patients, provided with informed consent about the possibility that they will be disappointed if the therapy does not succeed, can make a rational choice to work toward developing their heterosexual potential and minimizing their unwanted homosexual attractions."Source: Spitzer made the above comments at an annual APA meeting, May 9, 2001. The study was reported in the May 9, 2001 issues of The Washington Post, The New York Times, USA Today and it was also released to many local newspapers via the AP. ABC, CBS, FOX and MSNBC all reported the study.
I am not "playing games" nor I am "ignoring questions". I take your comments seriously and I have been reading some of the material you have recommended. Which is precisely why I discussed the Bieber clinical study which I found on NARTH.
I have given you truthful answers to your questions. Perhaps the problem is that, unlike yourself, I have not spent huge amounts of time thinking about every conceivable nuance to the matters you bring up. Consequently, there are questions to which I do NOT currently have answers---and which I haven't even thought about! Significantly, when I honestly tell you that, you dismiss it as dishonesty! Which reveals more about YOU than it does about me.
As I mentioned early-on in this thread, this is the FIRST message I have ever posted anywhere on the topic of same-sex marriages. In fact, if you include my letter-to-the-editor that was published about 17 years ago, then this is only the second message I've ever posted in my lifetime about any "gay" issue! Which is why I love all the folks in this thread who describe me as a "gay activist" promoting a "gay agenda".
And I did read the former homosexual biographical statements you mentioned. But I don't see their relevance to the statistical questions I posed.
Finally, for now, I have begun to contact some of the sources YOU recommend (as well as sources recommended by those organizations). I have also contacted several persons associated with NARTH.
This morning I received one reply which I would like to share with you (copied below). After I have heard from whatever number will respond to my inquiries I will share, in this thread, whatever they all say about statistics on "former homosexuals". However, I don't anticipate posting any further information until sometime next week. In the reply copied below, it was suggested that I contact Exodus---which I have also done.
First response received:
Hi Ernie
You ask a difficult question. You have read the reserach on our site which refers to what percent of people may experience substantial change in their sexuality but that doesn't really answer your question. I believe your question is asking for a more absolute number of people who have experienced that change. I don't think I can answer that nor do I think anyone can.
I don't know of any study that has tried to calculate the number of clients ministries have had in total numbers either in an individual ministry or in a broader scale. One of the criticisms of this type of ministry is that we do not do very good follow up with our clients. That is a fair criticism.
In my opinion, without any numbers to back it up, it would not be a legitimate scientific statement to say that 'tens of thousands of homosexuals have converted to heterosexuality".
I know that Exodus in the US sometimes says things like 'thousands of people have changed'. I think that is an anecdotal statement though not a scientific one. If you want to contact them and find out for sure, here is their website http://exodus.to/default2.asp