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You are correct about one matter. I have never responded to your "former homosexuals" question. First, I didn't realize that you thought it was of such significance that is deserved some kind of response. Second, I don't know any "former homosexuals" so there isn't much for me to say other than wish them well---in the same way that I wish everyone well who is living an unhappy or troubled life.

Yet tens of thousands of former homosexuals exist and have a great deal to say about their former lifestyle. Maybe you should get to know some former homosexuals.

You also never responded to Travis McGee nor the many times I asked you sex and marriage between brothers, sisters, parents and their children, etc. You seem to be of the opinion that sex, any sex with consenting adults is perfectly acceptable.

You sure like to get off topic and denigrate those who disagree with you.

Thanks for the interesting exchange of ideas.

I don't consider responding to the same bogus arguments interesting, but that's just me.

Here's wishing you a Gay New Year. lol.

I hope you open your mind to the truth about homosexuality. Here's a great place to start:

Homosexuality and Genetics

Year	Title	Posted On FR

2004	Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not 'Born That Way'	N/A
	'This is the Way God Made Me': A Scientific Examin	Yes
	What About the 'Gay Gene'? An Honest Look at the Evidence	No
	Homosexuality: The Essentialist Argument Continues to Erode	No
	Homosexuality is not biologically determined - lat	Yes
	The Animal Homosexuality Myth	No
	Fencing with the NY Times Over Gay Marriage	No
	Expert Gives Powerful Testimony in Defense of the Family	Yes
	Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim T	No
	Gays in Society: The Growing Clash	N/A
2003	Homosexuality: Innate and Immutable?	No
	Ad campaigns duel over 'ex-gays'	No
	'Cure' for homosexuality?	No
	Study Trumpeted by Health Writer as Evidence that	No
	Of mice and gay men	No
	Newswriters Represent New Study As Proof Of Biolog	No
	Homosexuality and Genes: Déjà vu All Over Again?	No
	Can Homosexuals Change?	No
2002	The Importance of Twin Studies	No
	The Gay Gene?	No
	The Fading 'Gay Gene'	No
	The Biological Research on Homosexuality	No
	Is There a 'Gay Gene'?	No
	Gay-To-Straight Research	No
	Is Sexual Orientation Fixed at Birth?	No
	Is Homosexuality Genetic?	No
	Homosexual Researchers Debunk 'Born Gay' Urban Legend	N/A
	Gender Identity Disorder	No
	Finding a Needle in the Ocean	No
	Facing The Truth About Homosexual Behavior	N/A
2001	The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science	No
	The Gay Gene: Going, Going...Gone	No
	A Change In Thinking	No
2000	What Is 'A Homosexual'	No
	Lust, Violence & Genetics	N/A
1999	What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed?	No
	Born What Way?	No
1995	How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together	No

Homosexuality and Ex-Homosexuals

Year	Title	Posted On FR

2004	Critic Ignores Whole Truth About Ex-Gays	N/A
	John Kerry's 'born-gay' science: Caleb Price debun	Yes
	Kerry Discriminates Against Ex-Gays; He Denies The	Yes
	Ex-Homosexuals Feel Insulted by Kerry's 'Born Gay' Comment	N/A
	More Than One Way Out	Yes
	The Seeds That Grew	Yes
	I Do Exist! -- New Video Focuses on Ex-Homosexuals' Stories	Yes
	Changing minds	Yes
	Homosexuality and the Possibility of Change: Intro	No
	Masters & Johnson. Homosexuality in Perspective. (	Yes
	The Great Escape (Mike Haley)	Yes
	God's Amazing Grace (Stephen Bennett)	No
	Matthew Manning's Testimony	No
	Canada: Seven ex-gay clergy and laity to make stan	N/A
	Study: Some Gays Can Go Straight	Yes
	Eagles Wings Testimonies	No
2002	Confession from a former homosexual	No
	At least 50 others here	No
2001	Latest Scientific Research: Those Struggling with	No
	Former Homosexual Alleges EEOC Bias in Investigation	No
2000	TV show ridicules former homosexuals	No

Homosexuality and Homosexual Help

Year	Title	Posted On FR

	Abiding Truth	No
	Becoming Real	No
	Choice 4 Truth	No
	Christians No Longer Gay Living For God	No
	Courage	No
	Courage Online	No
	Desert Stream	No
	Eagles Wings Ministry	No
	Exodus	No
	Find Out	No
	Gay to Straight	No
	Help for Jewish Homosexuals That is Consistent wit	No
	Homosexuality and Gender	No
	JONAH	No
	Living Hope	No
	Living Stones Ministries	No
	Love Won Out	No
	Matthew Manning	No
	Narth	No
	National Listing of Help	No
	New Hope Ministries	No
	One By One	No
	Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays	No
	People Can Change	No
	Portland Fellowship	No
	Positive Alternatives to Homosexuality	No
	Realty Resources	No
	Regeneration Books	No
	Stephen Bennett Ministries	No
	Transforming Congregations	No
	Witness Ministries	No

Maybe you should get to know some former homosexuals.

For what purpose? Maybe you should get to know some of the many thousands of men who posed as heterosexual for 10-20 years? Would that help you understand, simply at a human level, how many folks experience great pain in their lives due to denying their sexuality?

See my previous message, just posted, in answer to Dirty Harry.

You sure like to get off topic and denigrate those who disagree with you.

Off-topic? Considering that I started this thread with a question that has turned into something else entirely, your comments are rather amusing! My primary interest has been to compile a list of problems which opponents predict to occur if gay marriage is legalized. At some future date, I hope to compare the list to what actually occurs.

With respect to your comment about "denigrate those who disagree with you". Is there ANY disagreement from your views that you DO NOT consider "denigrating"? Or, let's try some role reversal. In what DIFFERENT manner would YOU respond to the caustic comments revealed in many of the messages on this thread, if YOU were ME? I'm not referring to our substantive differences. I refer to the LANGUAGE employed.