[Ernie.cal]

Judith: This may surprise you but I have no objection to what you have written. My interest has been to strip away all the usual smoke which this issue generates.

If you have a moment, please go back to the first postings in this debate. Principled arguments were raised. Probing questions were asked. But, as I suggested early-on, the REAL objection to same-sex marriage has little or nothing to do with those principles or those arguments.

Instead, in the last 30-50 messages we see the TRUE objection. To your credit, you have not euphemized the issue or tried to weasle your way out of the clear meaning of your words. When I pointed out that some messages in this thread were characterizing gays in terms calculated to evoke fear, disgust, and revulsion, you implicitly agreed and called me a "sissy" since I initiated this discussion.

In short, the underlying dynamic here is now obvious. You and several others here want EVERYONE to view gays with the same disgust and revulsion that YOU do. You want EVERYONE to deny gays employment. You want EVERYONE to perceive gays as diseased, sex-craved, perverted animals who have utterly no redeeming qualities and are totally un-deserving of respect or protection or rights.

So let's drop the pretense that we are having a calm, respectful, and rational discussion about Constitutional principles or about public policy alternatives. When you demonize your opponents and attribute the worst possible motivations to them (such as "the right to potentially infect a helpless patient") -- you are no longer fooling anyone into believing you are motivated by religious values.

There ARE serious questions that can and should be raised about acceptance of same-sex marriages. Some of the messages in this thread actually tried to address those concerns, and I respect that. I suspect that 50 years from now gay marriage will be commonplace in most Western nations and nobody will even remember what all the fuss was about.

[Judith Anne]

Just go back and re-read your posts. You will find the "demonizing" was initiated by you.

Now, wipe your eyes, take a bite of quiche, sip that latte and tell us again how principled you are and the rest of us aren't.

By the way, is the Bible hate speech?

[Travis McGee]

STOP HIDING, PEE WEE!

The truth is, you're just a coward.

You have no answers to my questions which will not reveal the fraudulence of your "argument" (sic).

So you run and hide like a little girly-man pansy troll.

[Judith Anne]

When you demonize your opponents and attribute the worst possible motivations to them (such as "the right to potentially infect a helpless patient") -- you are no longer fooling anyone into believing you are motivated by religious values.

I am motivated by religious and OTHER values. Apparently, you know nothing about medicine, and are bent on pretending that all homosexuals are sweet, kind, helpful, friendly, honest, thrifty, faithful, obedient, etc.