[Jehu]

I notice a lot of people are willing to discuss the attributes and behavior of God without explaining his origin.

The smarter of the species recognize mathematical infinity, transcendental numbers, the creation of the whole universe out of nothing we can measure, see, understand, or even theorize about.

I have no difficulty in believing there is somebody out there that is beyond my little finite mind. If I could imagine Him, test Him, theorize Him. He could not have been the First Cause, my mind would be.

That is why you are an evolutionist. You cannot admit, nor bear the thought, of a mind greater than yours and incomprehensible to you.

Note how much evolutionists adore all the trappings of intellect, they even pretend to worship the intellect of other men, of whom they approve, while secretly believing there is none so smart as they.

So you believe in a man-invented comically preposterous theory of consciousness produced by unawareness. Order from Chaos. Life from unlife. Purpose from negation. The universe is hard on the arrogant.

[js1138]

I notice you didn't respond to the promlem except to admit it is beyond your knowledge. That is actually an improvement over the usual puffery.

But you admit that existence itself is an unsolved problem. Science makes no claims to explain existence. All it claims is that given the nature of existence, it might be possible to explain the origin of the universe. Believe or not, this is a lesser problem.

[jennyp]

Note how much evolutionists adore all the trappings of intellect, they even pretend to worship the intellect of other men, of whom they approve, while secretly believing there is none so smart as they.

It's always amusing to see a creationist pontificate on what's really going on in our minds to make us accept the theory of evolution. Personally I'm more amused by the claim that it's because we want permission to engage in our drunken sex orgies. Surely it can't be because we're persuaded by mountains of evidence for it!

It's like a lefty trying to explain our opposition to the minimum wage or our support of Social Security privatization, or our support of capitalism itself. Surely we're conservatives because we are cold, heartless bastards who rejoice at the suffering of the poor. And, um, Halliburton! Halliburton! Halliburton!

So you believe in a man-invented comically preposterous theory of consciousness produced by unawareness. Order from Chaos. Life from unlife. Purpose from negation. The universe is hard on the arrogant.

Let me ask you something: If oxygen is a flammable gas, and hydrogen is an explosive gas, and if you combine them to make water you get an flame-retardant, non-explosive liquid, then where did the flammability, explosiveness, & gaseousness "go"? Or to put it another way, where did the fire-retardance & liquidity "come from"?

By your logic, only a godless materialist would say that water's properties are an emergent property that comes from the interaction of its constituent parts. To be consistent with your argument against the natural origin of consciousness, you have to believe that God (or an angel) "pulls out" the flammability & explosiveness from the oxygen & hydrogen atoms, and "injects" liquidity into the newly-created water molecule.