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To: Alamo-Girl

I have no problem wit intelligent design being a hypothesis. When it accumulates 50 years or so of supporting evidence then it might be called a theory.

Assuming it comes up with soe objective methodology for determining that something cannot occur through natural, regular processes.

You and I have been round and round on this. I have no problem with considering the possibility that existence is designed in order to bring about life. But that says nothing about the process or the history of life.


275 posted on 12/22/2004 10:53:00 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: js1138; betty boop
Hi there, js1138! Merry Christmas and thank you for your reply!

I have no problem wit intelligent design being a hypothesis. When it accumulates 50 years or so of supporting evidence then it might be called a theory.

I keep muddling around with what to call the arguments raised by Intelligent Design "theorists". I realize there is a huge objection from your side on using that term - but then I look at Crick's musings on cosmic ancestry and Kauffman's on autonomous agency - and they aren't exactly formally structured, falsifiable, theories either.

On another thread, betty boop observes that Kauffman speaks of his musings as "proto-science" instead of "science" - that it opens "the conceptual space in which science can (hopefully) fruitfully proceed in the devlopment of its work." Perhaps we can find a good moniker in here somewhere...

You and I have been round and round on this. I have no problem with considering the possibility that existence is designed in order to bring about life. But that says nothing about the process or the history of life.

Indeed, we have had many wonderful discussions. It is always a pleasure to debate with you.

One point though, the Intelligent Design theorists do not dispute the age of the universe, the fossil record, or much of evolution theory - and thus would not argue about the evidence for the history of life. The dispute arises over the complexity that all of science and mathematics continues to observe in biological life, i.e. that evolution is not an adequate and/or complete explanation.

And indeed, Darwin's formulation "random mutations + natural selection > species" is no longer adequate because of the "randomness" component. It wouldn't be adequate if there were never such a movement called "Intelligent Design". That part of the investigation will surely continue regardless of format: formal, falsifiable scientific theory, mathematical theory with logical proofs, observation of historical records, proto-science - etc.

285 posted on 12/22/2004 11:20:04 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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