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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; pascendi
One thing is for certain. The Holy Spirit is no longer safeguarding the hierarchy from error.
But since the Church is such by divine will and constitution, such it must uniformly remain to the end of time...

Wherefore, as appears from what has been said, Christ instituted in the Church a Living, authoritative and permanent Magisterium, which by His own power He strengthened, by the Spirit of truth He taught, and by miracles confirmed. He willed and ordered, under the gravest penalties, that its teachings should be received as if they were His own...

God indeed even made the Church a society far more perfect than any other ... no true and perfect human society can be conceived which is not governed by some supreme authority.

... Jesus Christ, therefore, appointed Peter to be that head of the Church; and He also determined that the authority instituted in perpetuity for the salvation of all should be inherited by His successors, in whom the same permanent authority of Peter himself should continue ... Now the proper nature of a foundation is to be a principle of cohesion for the various parts of the building. It must be the necessary condition of stability and strength. Remove it and the whole building falls. It is consequently the office of St. Peter to support the Church, and to guard it in all its strength and indestructible unity. How could he fulfil this office without the power of commanding, forbidding, and judging, which is properly called jurisdiction? It is only by this power of jurisdiction that nations and commonwealths are held together.

... It was necessary that a government of this kind, since it belongs to the constitution and formation of the Church, as its principal element-that is as the principle of unity and the foundation of lasting stability-should in no wise come to an end with St. Peter, but should pass to his successors from one to another.

... just as it is necessary that the authority of Peter should be perpetuated in the Roman Pontiff, so, by the fact that the bishops succeed the Apostles, they inherit their ordinary power, and thus the episcopal order necessarily belongs to the essential constitution of the Church. (Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum)

Your statement essentially asserts that the constitution of the Church has failed, that the Church has been destroyed, that the gates of Hell have prevailed. I don't understand why you said "post citations all day and night. It will make no difference". Don't you attempt to follow the traditional faith? I doubt this sort of doctrine is even what you're getting from SSPX priests.

73 posted on 12/20/2004 11:09:12 PM PST by gbcdoj ("I acknowledge everyone who is united with the See of Peter" - St. Jerome)
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To: gbcdoj; Canticle_of_Deborah
See? There you go again.

Are you trying construct a mechanism whereby people seem forced to either:

1. ...buy into Sedevacantism, or

2. ...buy into a new, counterfeit theology?

...all the while, coming off as if you thought personally that neither was an option, and that you are loyal to the Roman Pontiff?

74 posted on 12/20/2004 11:15:24 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: gbcdoj; pascendi

Your personal SSPX slur aside (can't resist, can you?), your posts prove the case for sedevacantism more than any sede's post on this site.

The Holy Spirit safeguards the Magisterium when they adhere to and practice the Faith of two millenia. He does not force any human soul. They must come willingly. We all have free will. I repeat: the vast majority of the hierarchy in Rome have lost the Faith as predicted by Our Lady of La Salette. By their own choice they have lost Divine protection.

If the next Pope is a Mahony or Kasper, I will become a card carrying sedevacantist.


75 posted on 12/20/2004 11:21:37 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: gbcdoj

Good posts. Repetition is important to learning.


108 posted on 12/21/2004 5:13:03 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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