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F22 Raptor crash @ NELLIS AFB
12/20/04 | me

Posted on 12/20/2004 4:51:48 PM PST by BurbankKarl

MilAir scanner sources indicate a new F22 Raptor has crashed at Nellis. Pilot was seen ejecting.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: eject; fa22; fa22raptor; nellisafb; planecrash
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To: DevSix

You wrote;



Such a mistake this was - (while the F-18 E/F is a great plane...it is more or less a strike aircraft) - it just doesn't have the capabilities of taking over for the F-14 -



Agreed. The Tomcat *and* the Intruder would be useful to keep around, IMHO. But the powers that be like Hornets for everything (even though they can't match Tomcats for superiority or the dump truck capabilities of Intruders). But that would have given Grumman a fighting chance and that wasn't going to happen...

FRegards,
PrairieDawg


101 posted on 12/20/2004 7:01:52 PM PST by PrairieDawg
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To: PrairieDawg

Eye witness reports that aircraft was on fire on takeoff.

Did someone forget to tighten down the gas cap?


102 posted on 12/20/2004 7:13:13 PM PST by IGOTMINE (A clean sight picture and proper trigger control will solve most human problems.)
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To: oceanview

They should have about 20 in service by now and were scheduled to be producing at 3/month.


103 posted on 12/20/2004 7:33:22 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: Dashing Dasher; BladeLWS
"Pilot Induced Oscillation is something that is hard to train away."

Especially when (in engineering terms) it's a control loop instability problem, not a pilot problem. Allow me to explain.

The control loop related to the so-called PIO condition, consists of multiple elements all of which are equally part of the problem. The components of that control loop, and the "signal", travels from the pilot's butt to his brain to his hand to a fly-by-wire computer to the elevator actuators to the aerodynamic response of the F22 itself, and then back again to the pilot's butt.

Every element in that loop has its own gain and phase shift (delay, if you prefer). If the loop is unstable (i.e., "pilot induced oscillation"), every element in that loop contributed to it. But such an instability says plainly that the design did not account for each of those gains and phase shifts. All control loops must be compensated so that the net sum of all gains and phase shifts must never allow for an unstable condition. This is elementary control loop (servo loop) theory. There is no element in that control loop, including the human component, that can not be modeled to ensure loop stability.

In other words, PIO is not a pilot problem, it has always been a design engineering problem, 100%.

--Boot Hill

104 posted on 12/20/2004 8:12:23 PM PST by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Diverdogz

And here I thought the 1/72 Italeri model was the ugliest F-22 ever made.


105 posted on 12/20/2004 8:25:07 PM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: Chemist_Geek; All; TexKat; Gucho; Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; BJClinton; Twinkie; ...
"Just heard on the news that he was taken to a local hospital for evaluation, but appeared to be OK. Ping!"Good morning Thank you Thank you Be strong America good country! Pilot that person is well that is good F-22 is America new airplane America AirForce test now that hapen new airplane new technologia Thank you.
106 posted on 12/20/2004 11:06:27 PM PST by anonymoussierra
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To: anonymoussierra

107 posted on 12/20/2004 11:08:03 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: anonymoussierra
Play your cards right, and one day a flag of Poland will be on that A/C
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
108 posted on 12/20/2004 11:11:38 PM PST by investigateworld (( You may spel-chek at your option ))
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To: Echo Talon

Good morning Thank you :}}}}}


109 posted on 12/20/2004 11:12:15 PM PST by anonymoussierra
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To: anonymoussierra

no problem ;)


110 posted on 12/20/2004 11:13:28 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: investigateworld; All

"Merry Christmas to you and yours!"Thank you!! Be strong America good country! Strong is good!


111 posted on 12/20/2004 11:13:36 PM PST by anonymoussierra
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To: DevSix

The Navy version of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is the intended replacement for the F-14. The Navy has a long habit of mismanaging their fighter aircraft programs and then opting for an Air Force model. The F-18, for example, began as the losing competitor to the F-16 in the aircraft competition that John Boyd managed decades ago.


112 posted on 12/20/2004 11:38:30 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Sloth

Hope so . . .hate to think those booms were from impacts.

;-)


113 posted on 12/21/2004 3:15:04 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: HerrKobes
Yeah. . .the best fitting, tight and body shaping flight suite I ever saw. . .except for those cute-suites the Thunderbirds wear. . .just kidding! How the hell did she sit down in that thing? I'd like to examine that question a bit more, thank you.

Oh, and current flight suit not being flattering to our female pilots is a good thing. . .especially, given a few of the "manly-girls" we have play-acting as fighter pilots, a REALLY good thing ("my eyes, my eyes. . .owww. . .!")
114 posted on 12/21/2004 3:19:08 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Rockingham
The Navy has a long habit of mismanaging their fighter aircraft programs and then opting for an Air Force model

Long maybe, but not consistant enough to be a "habit". The only time it happened was in the early '20s when the Boeing PW-1, the Curtiss P-1, the Curtiss OC-1 became the FB-1, F6C, F8C respectively.
By the late '20s tge Boeing F4B began as a naval plane before becoming the P-12.

And from the 30s on. did Grumman ever build an Air Force aircraft?

115 posted on 12/21/2004 5:47:16 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never Apologise. Never Explain)
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To: anonymoussierra

"Pilot that person is well that is good F-22 is America new airplane America AirForce test now that hapen new airplane new technologia"

Great photos.


116 posted on 12/21/2004 7:06:09 AM PST by Gucho
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To: Gucho

Thank you :}}}}}


117 posted on 12/21/2004 7:15:40 AM PST by anonymoussierra
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To: Rockingham
The Navy version of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is the intended replacement for the F-14.

That was perhaps the squared plan - However, I have heard from varying sources that the F-35 will never see the deck of USN Carrier (and instead it very well may be the F-23) - Which would leave the USAF very jealous down the road -

118 posted on 12/21/2004 8:46:03 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: BurbankKarl
What's left of it:


119 posted on 12/21/2004 10:41:58 AM PST by Trinity5
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To: Oztrich Boy
Junk the program and buy the Eurofighter instead.

That would be expensive, given the falling dollar.

120 posted on 12/21/2004 10:45:28 AM PST by 11th_VA (BUILD THE MOAT, OR WE WON'T VOTE - 2008)
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