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Tough Assignment: Teaching Evolution To Fundamentalists
Ft. Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 03 December 2004 | SHARON BEGLEY

Posted on 12/18/2004 5:56:30 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: RightWingNilla; RadioAstronomer
Jack Chick knows more astronomy, cosomology, physics, chemistry, and biology than all you fancy scientists combined!

Actually, Steven Hawking alone knows more about science than Jack Chick put together!

(With apologies to Walt Kelly...)

961 posted on 12/21/2004 3:26:40 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Wallace T.
You can explain the workings of an internal combustion engine without resorting to any supernatural speculation.

Yes, but you cannot fully explain how an engine was invented without discussing market forces. In other words, selection. No product as complex as an automobile is designed from first principles. Things get the way they are because unpredictable (not random, but nevertheless unpredictable) selective events occur.

It makes no difference to biological or product evolution how change occurs. Selection determines the ultimate direction of change, and selection is unpredictable.

The fundamental error of ID is in its assumption that complex systems can be designed from first principles, without an iterative process of production and selection.

962 posted on 12/21/2004 3:35:56 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
This may come as a shock to you, but I'm not going to play the evolutionists typical reindeer games

Translation: "uh uh, I won't let you back *me* into a corner!"

I've made my point, none of you can come up with an intelligent rebuttal and none of you can refute what I have posted.

Like there's a *need* to refute obvious satire?

...ohmigod, wait, you were *SERIOUS*?

963 posted on 12/21/2004 3:42:19 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

"You earlier stated that you had never seen an evolutionist address a certain point. Now I'm beginning to see why -- when they try, you start questioning their motives, their mental state, and your own willingness to have a discussion."

I still stand by that statement that E' never discuss the SOUL not "a certain point" the SOUL.

Specifically the soul, as described in Genesis when The Adam was created, called breath of life.

Actually my first question was when were the souls created, I further pointed to what Jeremiah was told and what we are told about Jacob and Esau.

Guess you might say I am getting bored retyping MY original question. You come along and want a specific description about what I mean with SOUL.

I have also plainly stated that I believe the Bible, however, I have also noted that man has had his fun in some places with the translating.

Furthermore I do not think so highly of myself that I can convince anyone there is a CREATOR, and He is who He says He is. I do not believe it is possible for man in the flesh to fully comprehend all of what we are told within the Bible.

The soul is described as the breath of life and the Adam was not living until that breath was breathed into him.

I really can't wait for your scathing response.







964 posted on 12/21/2004 3:42:56 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: D Edmund Joaquin
When you "scientists" refute chaos theory

No need, it's perfectly valid.

and the inevitable conclusion that "If God played dice with the universe, He'd win.." I'll think about it

Okay, I'll bite... Why exactly would this be an "inevitable conclusion" of chaos theory?

965 posted on 12/21/2004 3:44:43 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: D Edmund Joaquin; general_re
It's clear that you guys don't want to or can't, answer anything that disproves evolution. That's the point.

I'd be glad to address it, if anyone actually *did* post something that "disproves evolution". So far, though, all I've seen are half-assed straw men attacks, or flat-out lies (which *have* been answered as well).

Why don't you step up to the plate and take a stab at being the first to actually post some?

Ot is yours just one of those "declare victory and then run for the exit" posts?

966 posted on 12/21/2004 3:47:36 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: BJungNan; VadeRetro
[People who say crazy things are acting crazy. This isn't the leap you imagine it to be.]

I don't understand what you are saying here.

"Your Honor, we rest our case."

967 posted on 12/21/2004 3:48:57 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Ja, doofenzee gaboofen.


968 posted on 12/21/2004 3:54:03 PM PST by JusPasenThru (If you want to get it movin' you must learn to doof da bouven.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Junior; D Edmund Joaquin; Wallace T.
[You will not find biologists using the latter term (devolution)]

LOL. When you talk to every biologist on God's earth, get back to me.

Is English not your first language?

Try reading his statement again until you understand it properly.

Or are you just playing dumb so that you have an cheap excuse to ridicule, as a substitute for dealing with his actual point (which refuted yours)? Additional support for this is provided by the fact that you did the same thing to *my* reply to you as well, presenting the same point.

Unable to deal with being disagreed with?

969 posted on 12/21/2004 3:57:13 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
"Your Honor, we rest our case."

And you think the jury is on still out. Sure happy to hear you think you have solved the mystery of the universe.

970 posted on 12/21/2004 3:59:00 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: Ichneumon

LOL! :-)


971 posted on 12/21/2004 4:00:57 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Wallace T.

Yeah. I suspect that they'll be petitioning to have it changed to suit their whims. Many of them seem to think that reality is dependent upon the desirability of beliefs.


972 posted on 12/21/2004 4:26:35 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!Ah, but)
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To: Ichneumon

"Did you see? I was in that thread with all those smarty-pants science guys, and they couldn't refute a single thing I said!"

"Yeah, all right. Just come along quietly now."

973 posted on 12/21/2004 4:26:46 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Ichneumon

Great example! Thank you for the info.


974 posted on 12/21/2004 4:42:12 PM PST by shuckmaster
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To: VadeRetro
People who say crazy things are acting crazy. This isn't the leap you imagine it to be.

The leap I am increasingly worried about is when people that think like you do start painting red crosses on peoples homes and businesses.

975 posted on 12/21/2004 4:45:34 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: BJungNan
And you think the jury is on still out. Sure happy to hear you think you have solved the mystery of the universe.

Context, son, context.

976 posted on 12/21/2004 4:56:50 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...theosophical...

Do you know what Theosophy was?

977 posted on 12/21/2004 5:34:27 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: BJungNan
The leap I am increasingly worried about is when people that think like you do start painting red crosses on peoples homes and businesses.

To keep them from being bombed by the enemy?

978 posted on 12/21/2004 5:44:30 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Junior
To keep them from being bombed by the enemy?

No, to point them out to the enemy. But you knew that.

979 posted on 12/21/2004 5:53:17 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: Ichneumon
Context, son, context.

It's not son, it is nan.

980 posted on 12/21/2004 5:54:18 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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