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Tough Assignment: Teaching Evolution To Fundamentalists
Ft. Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 03 December 2004 | SHARON BEGLEY

Posted on 12/18/2004 5:56:30 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry

So I see you sent me some reading material - I'll take a look through it when I get a chance.


121 posted on 12/19/2004 1:30:47 PM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: PatrickHenry
It just doesn't happen.

I think some missionaries used to "go native" but we can be sure no true Christian ever did.

122 posted on 12/19/2004 1:31:24 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: Iowegian
Your argument in ridiculous.

It's exactly the same as yours - perhaps that should tell you something.

123 posted on 12/19/2004 1:32:04 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: carlr
The two laws of thermodynamics say that 1)new matter is not being created and 2)all matter is in a state of decay.What this means is there is no scientific basis for a fish to grow claws,a reptile to grow hair or feathers.The gene that causes these traits would have to have appeared out of nothing and repeated the process again and again.

The laws of thermodynamics say no such thing. What they do say is that entropy is the natural state of the universe, and that randomness is the default in the absence of the addition of energy. Sunlight is a source of energy that helps in the assembly of more complex molecules all the time.

The problem is that Creation Science literature is usually little more than propaganda that takes liberties to prove its point. Most of the Creation Scientists don't have solid technical degrees. They only know enough about science to be dangerous.

This is not to say that there are not solid Creationist scientists; indeed, there are quite a few. Unfortunately, most of them are quietly doing their research and are not in the forefront of the Christian community.

124 posted on 12/19/2004 1:33:33 PM PST by jude24 (sola gratia)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
This often rocks the boat.

And does your checkered coat have sharp lapels? That's how the devil drags you under, you know...

125 posted on 12/19/2004 1:34:29 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: loboinok
He would have an easier time force feeding pork to a well armed muslim then selling me on this theory.
Yeah, I would to see a more palatable 'theory' too.

Mankind 'claims' to have discovered that matter is composed of (basically) protons, neutrons and electrons - none ever seen mind you - and that matter is actually comprised of 100 some odd 'elements' each of which is a different arrangemment of protons, neutrons and electrons (right!).

I say there are just five kinds of matter: earth, air, fire, animal and plant.

126 posted on 12/19/2004 1:35:45 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: PatrickHenry

I read through the first one. Interesting stuff, things that deserve an answer. I don't find them convincing enough though....many could have other explanations (human tails etc.)


127 posted on 12/19/2004 1:39:08 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: ovrtaxt

Most schools, even in Bible country, teach evolution and have for a long time.

Yet, polls show more people believe in immediate creation than even God-directed evolution.


128 posted on 12/19/2004 1:42:13 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Bombardier
and it showed me that the Earth was far older than the 5 or 6 thousand years the literalists would want us to believe. The sheer might of God was apparent in those rocks
This has got to be a mistake. It can't be this difficult, this dynamic, this involved, this intricate to understand.

But, then again, I'm still struggling with why he sent his son to die - for us and for our sins. It defies the meager amount of logic I have available/at my disposal to understand this.

BTW, can any of the strict creationists here explain the creation and timeline of the stars, and why, as we visit them (like Mars) we find out they aren't just twinkling little bits of foil lodged in some overhead sphere (like decorations on the celing of the Astrodome?).

129 posted on 12/19/2004 1:42:41 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: jennyp

1. I will take a moment to say number 1 is a trick question. Evolution has nothing to do with how life began, just how it changed in the evolutionist's mind.

2. Well, I have heard this one back and forth....some say it only applies to closed systems, some say it does not. Beat the hell out of me if this really has anything to do with evolution or not.

3. Only have a vague understanding of this theory...

4. obviously not.....this would be stupid. There is a common descent it the theory, but animals are still organized by different phyla and are ordered by laws to give birth to the correct species. It would be impossible for a fish to give birth to a dog.

5. not sure...how?


130 posted on 12/19/2004 1:46:41 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: PatrickHenry

This stuff is just jibberjabber. It's laughable nonsense. The "DNA evidence" is a joke. It's like phrenology - some people had "scientic" jibberjabber to support that, too. The hoax is circling the drain...


131 posted on 12/19/2004 1:47:18 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.)
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To: ReadyNow
It ... seems to me that evolution is like moving from version 9.0 to version 9.1 of a complicated piece of software. It definitely happens, and 9.0 definitely eventually dies out and is replaced by 9.1.

But it doesn't say anything about where version 1.0 came from.

Sounds like a reasonable, present-day analogy most non-hardware-aware techoids can grasp.

How about 'the maker' sharing building blocks (C++ inheritance from a base class via genes/genetics too) across species as well?

Now, add in a billion, two billion, xx billion years - what might you have in geographically isolated areas on the surface of the earth and her seas?

132 posted on 12/19/2004 1:49:12 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

I am curious are you a Christian? If so why don't you believe in the literal translation of the bible?>>


I am a Christian and I do believe in the "literal" interpretration (not "translation") of the Bible.

I do not, however believe that God is a blast furnace ("God is a raging fire"). That would be silly. There is nothing in those first two chapters that demands we accept it as a chronology, much less a chronology of 6000 some years ago. There is NOTHING, absoulutely NOTHING in the first two chapeters of Genesis that require us to accept a "yom" as a 24 hour solar day.


133 posted on 12/19/2004 1:50:24 PM PST by chronic_loser (Go to my blog: http://snarktown.blogspot.com)
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To: _Jim

You could share the DNA because we all were created by God, who started with some common DNA.


134 posted on 12/19/2004 1:51:39 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: balrog666

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
-Albert Einstein>>

Proof posiive that bright men can make incredibly dumbass statements. Einstein has both feet planted firmly in the air on that statement.


135 posted on 12/19/2004 1:52:48 PM PST by chronic_loser (Go to my blog: http://snarktown.blogspot.com)
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To: loboinok
The most deceptive lie,is the lie that lies closest to the truth.

So you admit evolution is closest possible lie to the truth. Yet you believe something extravagantly far from evolution, which you said "lies closest to the truth." So clearly, your beliefs are bigger, less-believable frauds than evolution, which is almost the truth.

136 posted on 12/19/2004 1:56:11 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: _Jim

Of course, how much DNA we share with primates would lend support to the evolutionist.

However, there is still enough difference it is hard for me to accept it has to mean we evolved. It could mean that God organized similar animals in such a way that animals in the same phyla....without evolving....shared the same DNA.

There are cases of transitional fossils being located for primates, but these could also just be species in the same phyla that died out; they are not not necessarily evolutionary ancestors of modern humans.

I try to keep an open mind. I am not a moron and won't sit back and close my mind to science. Heaven help us if Christians do that. But, I need something that shows there can't be other explanations. Transitional fossils etc. still could have other explanations.


137 posted on 12/19/2004 1:56:38 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: FBD
"God does not play dice"~ Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle".

"Einstein, stop telling God what to do" -- Niels Bohr.

138 posted on 12/19/2004 1:58:07 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: rwfromkansas

Actually, you cannot "date" the book of Genesis at all with the chronologies. It is a common Hebrew trait, shown when you compare the chronologies in Matthew, Kings, and Chrionicles that when someone says A>B>C>D>E>F, with A being the patriarch and F being geneeration 6, it is just as common and also correct to say A>F. There may be HUGE gaps in the chronologies. the most laughable example of this is Jesus affirming that the Pharisees are all "sons of Abraham." No one that I know of tries to say something stupid about this, they just take it as a Hebraism, and AFFIRM THAT JESUS WAS NOT TRYING TO AFFIRM LINEAL RELATIONSHIPS, JUST LINEAL DESCENT. ICR people should do the same.


139 posted on 12/19/2004 2:00:58 PM PST by chronic_loser (Go to my blog: http://snarktown.blogspot.com)
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To: chronic_loser
Proof posiive that bright men can make incredibly dumbass statements. Einstein has both feet planted firmly in the air on that statement.

So tell us, dumbass, what you find wrong with it ...

140 posted on 12/19/2004 2:01:42 PM PST by balrog666 (The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike.)
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