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Posted on 12/17/2004 9:28:49 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Good point. I didn't think of that.
No problem.
As well, it is 'later' for me as well. I am headed out of here for today. I am especially tired and really need some rest.
'Popping my top' was a good indicator. Corlorde, it seems, practically called me a liar and this did not set well with me.
But, I did show him/her that his/her Bureau Stat's are stat's which are drawn off police records of abuse.
Men are far less likely to report abuse to the police than women are. So Bureau Stat's aren't really that reliable.
The studies which I presented take this into account and are thus much more reliable.
I'll never forget seeing her hitting herself with that rock. I said "Baby there are better ways to commit suicide than with a rock!"
Men are well aware that when the cops arrive, if they are covered in blood and the wife still has the knife in her hand, he'll still be the one arrested, and it will go into the stats as another male-on-female assault.
That has been changing recently, but had been the norm for at least a decade. And largely thanks to the BS you tried to peddle here.
What are you trying to pull here? That is a cleverly worded dodge designed to fool the reader into believing he just read that 76% of the people assaulted domestically are female; 18% of men are. But that isn't what it says. What it says is that men are several times more likely than women to be assaulted outside the home. As a consequence. the fraction of assaults on males that occur domestically is quite low... 18% of total assaults, 82% of which occur somewhere else. Men are assaulted far more often than women are. Look it up.
Studies where they call people up, ask for the 'woman of the house', and ask who hits who more, consistently -- and across cultures -- say that women themselves admit they hit more often. It's just that most men would never call the cops on their own wife. So the Justice Department stats always show more assaults on wives than on husbands. Even the Justice Department itself admits that.
Don't try to fool people in here. I don't like that.
"Studies where they call people up, ask for the 'woman of the house', and ask who hits who more, consistently -- and across cultures -- say that women themselves admit they hit more often."
BS, I cited an article that says the exact opposite. True, men don't report as much as women, that's a fact. The majority of domestic violence abuse is committed by men, against women.
period.
Wrong, again.
The survey consists of telephone interviews with a nationally representative sample of 8,000 U.S. women and 8,000 U.S. men about their experiences with intimate partner violence.
http://www.vawnet.org/Intersections/GeneralResearch/NIJ_IPV.php
Actually, they are not.
Here you go.
http://www.vawnet.org/Intersections/GeneralResearch/NIJ_IPV.php
Proof by louder assertion is inadmissable here. Your stats are still the "reported to the cops" ones, and everyone knows those are skewed by the fact that men either won't or are scared to (because they will be arrested), call the cops on their wives.
When you refuse to look at any other facts other than the ones you keep in your head, that's your business, I guess. But, I must correct you, this study was done in a manner that you, yourself, said was credible:
http://www.vawnet.org/Intersections/GeneralResearch/NIJ_IPV.php
How do they know the men aren't making up their abuse so they can get out of domestic violence charges when the cops are called? You shouldn't just take a man's word that he is being abused unless there is evidence because many male abusers make up baloney stories to avoid punishment for the domestic violence.
Cops take the word of the person will visible injuries because it proves their claims. Anybody can make up any baloney story so marks, injuries and bruises usually tell the true story about domestic violence.
One of the best profeesors I had in graduate school sadly fell under the grip of depression.
This kindly soul said that the worst part of his experiece was when his kindly wife
assaulted him with a tire-iron.
The second-worse? Demanding that he go with her to file divorce papers in a distant
town...so the neighbors "wouldn't talk".
I'm sympathetic to those who have to deal with loved ones with mental problems...
but hearing/witnessing some of this situation told me that not all women are
"the better half" of a marriage.
Cordially,
Cordially,
In my opinion, lesbian women often suffer from severe emotional problems anyway, and this might menifest itself in unnaturally aggressive behavior.
I hope you caught it, tucked it under your arm, ran out the door and sold it! Most Kinkade's are worth far, far more than $445.00.
Yes, obviously, women are more likely to be the perpetrators of domestic violence in a lesbian household.
But it does not at all follow that women in lesbian households are more likely to be VICTIMS of domestic violence than women in a married household.
What you said is obvious, what the study found is not.
Kathleen Parker
THE ORLANDO SENTINEL
September 3, 1997
To infer from media reports and some feminist activists, American men pause from their favorite pastime of beating women just long enough to change the channel.
For years now, we've been fed a daily diet of bruised faces on billboards, news releases with ever-escalating domestic-violence statistics and service announcements like this 1995 radio spot: "Each year millions of women are attacked by former husbands and boyfriends."
Some of the popular statistics routinely consumed and regurgitated by the media include:
All false.
A new Justice Department study indicates that while violence-related injuries to both men and women are higher than previously thought, reports of domestic violence against women have been vastly exaggerated. Yes, some men are beating up women and children, and, yes, some women are beating up men and children. But, no, these abnormal incidents do not constitute a national pathology.
Domestic violence -- even one incident of which cannot be tolerated -- is nonetheless aberrational behavior that belies the fringe-feminist contention that American society is a violent, patriarchal construct bent on violating and harming women.
The Justice Department research, which studied violence-related injuries treated in hospital emergency departments, found that one-third of all emergency room visits by women are owing to injuries. Of those injuries, 3 percent are a result of violence. Of all violence-related injuries, one-third are caused by domestic violence. In other words, 0.3 percent of women's injury-related emergency room visits are owing to domestic violence.
That number may not be gratifying to a woman whose husband just broke her nose, but it does suggest domestic violence is not precisely epidemic.
Meanwhile, another study released last March by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention -- "National Hospital Ambulatory Medical Care Survey: 1992 Emergency Department Summary" -- showed the leading cause of injury to women (as well as men) is not domestic violence, but accidental falls, followed by motor vehicle accidents.
Figures show that automobile accidents account for 13.6 percent of injuries to women treated in emergency rooms, which, math whizzes, is a good deal more than 0.3 percent for domestic violence.
None of these findings should be interpreted as good news. The fact that anyone -- man, woman or child -- ever has to seek treatment for injuries inflicted by a so-called loved one is disturbing beyond redemption. Based on its findings, the Justice Department projects that, annually, 204,129 women and 38,790 men seek emergency-room treatment from domestic-violence injuries. That's too many people acting stupid and doing damage.
But, it's unfair and counterproductive to exaggerate statistics to advance an ideological goal, as some women's groups -- and our own government -- have done. Everyone from President Clinton on down has repeated the erroneous figure that 37 percent of injuries to women are inflicted by spouses, former spouses or boyfriends. The CDC and the Department of Justice reports clearly refute this claim.
In fact, the Justice study shows that men are victims of domestic violence in about 16 percent of reported abuse cases, contrary to the popular claim that women constitute 95 percent of abuse claims. The study does confirm, however, that women are more likely than men to be victims of abuse by an intimate partner.
Given the horror of even one domestic-violence incident, what difference does a little exaggeration make? Doesn't the end of eliminating violence justify the means of massaging the data? Who's hurt? We all are.
By exaggerating reports, we've created a climate in which men are assumed to be vicious and are easily damned in child-custody discussions. Women are assumed to be victims who need the government to bail them out of bad relationships. And family dynamics continue to deteriorate as divisive rhetoric alienates the sexes.
There's no excuse for domestic violence, as the Family Violence Prevention Fund's advertising blurb goes. We unmistakably have a violence problem in this country, for which we might seek cultural solutions. But women are not being battered by men at an alarming rate.
We do not live in a society characterized by male brutality against women. And demonizing men at the expense of truth ultimately does more harm than good.
PARKER can be reached via e-mail at kparker1@aol.com
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