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To: freeeee
I wholeheartedly support free speech and assembly for all peaceable protesters. I honestly couldn't care less who they are or what their message is. I support the rights of the protesters in the article. I believe they are being oppressed because of their beliefs and denied their unalienable rights for which so many good men and women have paid for with their blood, sweat and tears.

I should certainly hope so, but I remain skeptical due to the fact you didn't mention that at all in your first post. You sounded more interested in dancing a jig. Another reason I'm skeptical is that you refer to people here as "brownshirts" for posting replies, but you DID NOT refer to the Pink Angels who blocked and intimidated the Christians as "brownshirts".

The rank hypocrisy around here concerning free speech and assembly is legendary. I can't count how many threads and how many hundreds upon hundreds of posters have been positively giddy at news of any protester they don't like being beaten, arrested and charged. Go read some of the threads around the time of the conventions. They speak for themselves.

First, if lefty protesters weren't so consistently violent, vicious, and intolerant, and lawless (all things they usually say they are there to potest), there wouldn't be such a desire for cops to be a bit more zealous in keeping these outlaws in line. Second, anytime any protesters do engage in such activities, you can count me among those other posters who are happy to finally see them get their comeuppance.

And "otherwise violate the law" is the big sticker in that statement of yours. Lately, protest outside of designated "free speech zones" has been deemed unlawful. That is blatantly unconstitutional, as the 1st Amendment declares the entire US a free speech zone. Peacefully protesting outside these zones is an act of patriotism. Those who applaud those patriots misfortunes at the hands of authorities are nothing but brown shirts and this board is filled with them.

Oh, you think THAT'S what our frustration is about? Protesters meekly stepping out of free speech zones? You think that's what makes us want to see heads get cracked? Tell me you're joking.

I don't like the idea of "free speech zones" any more than you do, but from the 1968 Democratic Convention to the '92 LA Riots (which I lived through) and WTO Convention in Seattle in '96 or '97 to this display in Philly, lefty protestors and union thugs can be counted on to consistently act like frothing-at-the-mouth lunatics with zero self-control, overturning loaded buses, shattering storefront windows and looting stores, setting cars on fire, spraying red paint on fur coats while women are wearing them, screaming threats, cutting tires, even beating, stabbing and killing people if they cross a picket line.

Do people sometimes post things in here that are over the line? Sure. But the PC frustration factor is extremely high and with good reason and we're only human.

And then you have the nerve to call us "brownshirts" for wanting cops crack down hard on people who want to sack entire cities in the name of peace and tolerance?

In fact, given all this history, IT IS A GLOWING TESTAMENT to the restraint of America's people and government that the ONLY measure they've taken against this insanity so far is these dreaded "free speech zones". Dude, count your blessings!

I'm not gleeful about it, I'm horrified. You couldn't be more wrong about my thoughts on this.

You may be sincere about that, but your illustration of Dennis Prager's Law of Conservation of Anger makes it hard for me to believe.

271 posted on 12/16/2004 1:07:22 PM PST by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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To: Zhangliqun
The fact that you not only are not the least bit concerned about whether or not these Christians had their civil rights violated, but are gleeful about is proof that YOU are the one who "singularly cares about positive outcomes for YOUR favorite groups".

Are you kidding? These protesters face more time in jail than most murderers and rapists, simply for expressing an unpopular opinion without a permit. This begs some serious questions: What kind of country does such a thing? What else are they capable of? How much worse will it get? I see this case akin to the canary dying in the mine. It's a symptom of serious, deep seated problems.

if lefty protesters weren't so consistently violent, vicious, and intolerant, and lawless (all things they usually say they are there to potest), there wouldn't be such a desire for cops to be a bit more zealous in keeping these outlaws in line.

I agree, that may be part of it.

But there is another part. The civil rights protests of the 60's (whether you agree with them or not) effected a monumental change in American society, and shook established powers to the bone. Government isn't stupid, and they quickly recognized the power of free assembly and civil protest to hold their shake on power. They were hell bent to prevent anything like that from ever happening again and couldn't manage to outlaw protest altogether. Hence, the "free speech zone", where you're free to speak behind a chainlink fence two miles from anywhere while surrounded by a battallion of riot police.

Oh, you think THAT'S what our frustration is about? Protesters meekly stepping out of free speech zones? You think that's what makes us want to see heads get cracked? Tell me you're joking.

Maybe I wouldn't think that if I hadn't seen it here so many times.

In fact, given all this history, IT IS A GLOWING TESTAMENT to the restraint of America's people and government that the ONLY measure they've taken against this insanity so far is these dreaded "free speech zones".

Pardon me for not doing cartwheels of joy because government has neutered yet another core liberty of the Bill of Rights.

your illustration of Dennis Prager's Law of Conservation of Anger makes it hard for me to believe.

Oh, I'm pissed about this alright. Believe it. I've just seen so much of it I've become a bit numb to it.

274 posted on 12/16/2004 1:31:39 PM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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