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To: politicalwit
You're a racist and think the illegals should live a life of poverty in the USA.

Fact is illegals get jobs and pay State, Federal, unemployment insurance, disability, and Social Security just like everybody else. They fear using those programs or receiving the tax refunds they qualify for because they do not want to be returned to their hellhole homeland. Most businesses that employ 18 MILLION illegals are legitimate businesses that pay the employer share of State, Federal, unemployment insurance, disability, and Social Security just like most every business.

The businesses who do not want these workers to become legal workers are the one who are paying under the table and exploiting these workers. They are on your side.

191 posted on 12/16/2004 12:37:51 AM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")
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To: Once-Ler
Fact is illegals get jobs and pay State, Federal, unemployment insurance, disability, and Social Security just like everybody else.

"The" fact is, the only way they pay any type of tax is if they have fraudulent SS numbers...as you well know. And, at ten bucks an hour with no benefits, and likely a family to support, you know perfectly well that they don't come close to covering their cost to society. There was an whiny article here in the paper last week about a "poor" illegal teenager that needs a $40,000 surgery (not for a life-threatening problem); his father's "health benefits" at work won't cover it...because he has the job under a false name!

Those who hire them are, quite simply, felons...thieves. I don't particularly blame the illegals...I blame the worthless employers who pawn their business costs onto the rest of us. Furthermore, I blame the unethical, immoral politicians who allow them to get away with it.

194 posted on 12/16/2004 12:59:41 AM PST by garandgal
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To: Once-Ler
Fact is illegals get jobs and pay State, Federal, unemployment insurance, disability, and Social Security just like everybody else.

False. Some do, and often with fraudulent documentation so that they can get in on other goodies. Many others are on the labor black market and pay none of those taxes.

Those jobs shouldn't be going to lawbreakers, they should go to law abiding guest workers.


Most businesses that employ 18 MILLION illegals are legitimate businesses that pay the employer share of State, Federal, unemployment insurance, disability, and Social Security just like most every business.

If they're knowingly employing illegal aliens they aren't legitimate businesses.

President Bush now has a program in all 50 States that enables employers to call an 800 number to verify eligibility for employment. There is now no excuse for a business not to know if it has illegal employees.

223 posted on 12/16/2004 5:29:27 AM PST by Fatalis
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To: Once-Ler

"Fact is illegals get jobs and pay State, Federal, unemployment insurance, disability, and Social Security just like everybody else."

How do the illegals pay into these programs without VALID social security programs?

"Most businesses that employ 18 MILLION illegals are legitimate businesses that pay the employer share of State, Federal, unemployment insurance, disability, and Social Security just like most every business."

What is it about the term "illegal" do you not understand? Why is it so hard for you to understand that these people are criminals according to our laws. CRIMINALS!!! Remember too, that employers employing these illegals are criminals also. If they are knowningly hiring illegals what else are they doing illegally?

Your mentality is such that we should simply scrap the Visa and immigration laws and welcome everyone, without consideration of their job skills or background. Hmm, perhaps an illegal can take your job. They would probably appreciate it much, much more than you would ever appreciate it.


232 posted on 12/16/2004 7:32:39 AM PST by politicalwit (Import poverty...hire an illegal today)
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