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To: newsgatherer; ninenot; GirlShortstop; saradippity; ArrogantBustard; bornacatholic; Sean O L; ...
Newsgatherer: This being the third time on this thread alone in which you have seen fit to stick your impertinent and irrelevant nose into a matter strictly Catholic and therefore not of your persuasion and presumed to don the mantle of the papacy to instruct us Catholics as to the meaning of Scripture (else why listen to you at all?), some Catholic response is certainly in order.

Your opinions as to the meaning of Scripture are just that: opinions!

The answer to your question as to why apostates from Catholicism are found in the pews of "Full Gospel", non-"denominational" Christian churches is that it is a human failing to adhere to simplicity and to easy and self-satisfying ways. It is easier for each Tom, Dick and Harriet to find what they want to find in misinterpreting Scripture than to adhere to an objective moral code that is the product of Scripture and the best in Christian thinking over nearly 2,000 years. The liberal/leftist type of AmChurch pseudoCatholic bishops have failed to adequately catechize many Catholics who then find themselves attracted to theatrical whoopdedoo from the pulpits (if any) of the "non-denominational" churches, including speaking in tongues and whatever. Your churches of that sort aren't skimming much in the way of adequately catechized folks off the Roman Catholic Church despite its evident administrative challenges.

These "Full Gospel" churches are not even "Full Gospel" in that they deny the sacraments that, for the most part, they lack the apostolic succession to convey, cannot provide the Mass, deny the Real Presence of Jesus Christ, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, in the Eucharist, etc. No Catholic who IS a Catholic will EVER trade such things for superficially satisfying sermons and Bible studies. As to former liberals who convert to such churches, one is tempted to say that they have already proven, as former liberals, that they will believe anything. Are you an apostate from Catholicism like so many who post such things as you have???

Your God and mine gave us free will. Many exercise it by belonging to the Roman Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ upon Peter and permanently guaranteed by Him as the trendy insight congregation of last week's Bible study is not. Others find their way to evangelical and penteccostal denominations or "non-denominational" churches and, I will concede, that those churches are better than none and often lead their congregants to a substantial compliance with SOME of God's will.

Despite all the fire and fury between Roman Catholics and other Christians such as you, we agree on much and disagree on little. The disagreements are important but so are the agreements. In a society as degenerate as our own, we have a long way to go to earn the right to dispute one another in the public square for the entertainment of our mutual enemies and His.

77 posted on 12/14/2004 11:14:07 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
Now that you have that out of your system. Feel better?

Now, tell me something, How in the world am I, or anyone for that matter, to know that this thread is strickly for Roman Catholics?

78 posted on 12/14/2004 11:33:03 AM PST by newsgatherer
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To: BlackElk; Salvation; NYer; All
In a society as degenerate as ours,we have a long way to go to earn the right to dispute one another in the public square for the entertainment of our mutual enemies and His.

Very wise words Black Elk,and reflect my thoughts quite precisely.

Ny'er excellent post and an even more excellent defense of celibacy. Thanks,I get so tired of saying the same thing to the same folks with different pseudonyms.

Salvation,thanks for all the links. Maybe you could save this tape since it contains some very good comments from the usual defenders of the Church's position on celibacy like Ninenot,Desdemona,Arrogant Bustard as well ss all the related articles to which you linked us.. In the future we could just call on you to post the "Ditto celibacy thread" and then many of us could just post a read "ditto tape" comment,just to let them know it has great support from Catholics.

All,just a thought on how we could reduce redundancy and save some precious time by declaring this a kind of quasi-official "ditto celibacy tape".

81 posted on 12/14/2004 11:54:54 AM PST by saradippity
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Just beautiful! Worth copying and pasting to the multitude of posts that spring up on this topic. Thank you!


84 posted on 12/14/2004 7:48:55 PM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: BlackElk

excellent, B.E. Thanks for the ping. I wouldn't have missed that for the world. Amen, brother.


85 posted on 12/15/2004 3:11:40 AM PST by bornacatholic
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