New Vatican Document on Homosexuality and the Priesthood Coming Before Fall 2005

LifeSite ^ | December 13, 2004

[saradippity]

In a society as degenerate as ours,we have a long way to go to earn the right to dispute one another in the public square for the entertainment of our mutual enemies and His.

Very wise words Black Elk,and reflect my thoughts quite precisely.

Ny'er excellent post and an even more excellent defense of celibacy. Thanks,I get so tired of saying the same thing to the same folks with different pseudonyms.

Salvation,thanks for all the links. Maybe you could save this tape since it contains some very good comments from the usual defenders of the Church's position on celibacy like Ninenot,Desdemona,Arrogant Bustard as well ss all the related articles to which you linked us.. In the future we could just call on you to post the "Ditto celibacy thread" and then many of us could just post a read "ditto tape" comment,just to let them know it has great support from Catholics.

All,just a thought on how we could reduce redundancy and save some precious time by declaring this a kind of quasi-official "ditto celibacy tape".

[saradippity]

I think anything can be made ambiguous and equivical if one wants to make it that way.American Colleen-December 13,2004

What an opening line for responding to about half the posts from Catholics on Free Republic. I am reading some material written by Innocent III way back in the twelfth or thirteenth century and getting quite a belly laugh as I recall the techniques used by so many on either end of the Catholic spectrum.

On one hand, I chuckle about how his words could be twisted and spun by the left end,and on the other,wondering how those on the right end could possibly call it clear and unambiguous.

I say a prayer of thanks to the Holy Spirit,Truth,for remaining with the Church,speaking through the Holy Father and the Ordinary Magisterium and staying with me as I struggle to understand it all. But understand it,I do,even if it sometimes takes longer than I'd like. Thanks Colleen.

[Just mythoughts]

"One 'discerns' the call before responding. The initial response is one of inquiry. The discernment process includes an understanding of the celibacy mandate. Ordination to the catholic priesthood is a lengthy process. Celibacy is only one part of "The Call"."

Isn't discernment required of all of us? Are we not all told to study to show ourselves approved, and does not "God" do the calling and the choosing? What does it mean when it says that many are called but few are chosen?

[NYer]

Just beautiful! Worth copying and pasting to the multitude of posts that spring up on this topic. Thank you!

[bornacatholic]

excellent, B.E. Thanks for the ping. I wouldn't have missed that for the world. Amen, brother.

[bornacatholic]

First, being our clergy are allowed to be married I feel because they have the same problems in marriage that their congregational members have, they can understand these problems and are better able to give guidance based on actual experience

*Must they have used heroin to counsel addicts?

[MadAnthony1776]

That's not even a good analogy. Using heroin is entirely different from marriage. I'll tell you from personal experience when I was single and you'd be discussing marriage and problems in marriage with friends and I would make an observation they'd say how can you know anything about it? You're not married, like I how could I understand some of the problems since I had not experienced them. Once I got married, I no longer got that reply. Now you tell me, If you are going to counsel someone on marriage, who do you think someone is more likely to listen to?. Someone who has experienced the same troubles or someone who is on the outside of the institution of marriage. My personal experience says someone who has been married.

[bornacatholic]

i tell you true, it hurts me to see Catholic people in South America starving when there is gold on the altar in a nice parish elsewhere

* How much money are you sending them to relieve their hunger?

If the gold was removed from the altar, sold, and used to buy food, the money and food would be quickly consumed depriving God honor due him and depriving generations of poor Christians the beauty of the altar to which they bring their adoration of God, their petitions,prayers of reparations, and prayers of Thanksgiving. You know, the poor themselves were happy to donate the little they had to honor God in these beautiful altars.

[bornacatholic]

That's not even a good analogy.

* of course it is. The gentleman was claiming one had to experience something before one could counsel another about it.

What about cannibalism? What about necrophilia? The list is quite long; limited only by one's imagnation