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To: Chemist_Geek

Once again, I must disagree. I know you keep harping on this individual responsibility theme. In a perfect world that would happen.

Never will you have an entire population take individual responsibility among all its members, not in any system of govt. If we can't get to that point in the US, then there is no chance of that happening anywhere else.

There actually is a standard as you call it, or a boiling point as I like to think of it.

When the proportion of trouble-makers gets too high, the boiling point has been reached and it's time to intervene.

Apparently that point is being approached again in islam, as happens periodically over the centuries.

If moslems cannot stop their own fanatics, then they will have to be assisted by intervention from without.

Otherwise we have chaos and anarchy, though I know that's what the left is hoping for.


234 posted on 12/09/2004 8:03:04 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
I'm not goign to say that Islam is correct; I am going to say that government ought not to dictate what faiths people may or may not have.

This is distinct from punishing or preventing acts...

238 posted on 12/09/2004 8:22:18 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: texasbluebell

Excellent points, Texas.

A comment about the charges of bigotry that have been leveled at me and others who share my views: after years on the left, I have developed a pretty thick skin when it comes to having my point of view reduced to simple accusations of racism and bigotry. I am glad to see that there are others here who will take on the islamic apologists and expose them for what they are. As a newbie, they consider me easy prey, but being new to FR doesn't mean I am new to the issue. No one would be happier than I if even just the American Muslim community leaders would come out forcefully against the goal of worldwide theocracy and terrorism, WITHOUT the inevitable qualifications, i.e. "We denounce this act of violence, but.."

Mega thanks to texasbluebell, broadsword, valin, naturalman1975, and all the others who aren't afraid to speak out.


245 posted on 12/09/2004 8:46:17 AM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal)
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