Check the link in post 78. The CCC doesn't always use the terms of the old scholastic-theology books, but I've seen the very words you used in one of my kids' pre-1950 religion books :-).
94 posted on 12/06/2004 1:10:10 PM PST by Tax-chick
(Poison ivy berries are a favorite food of the Downy Woodpecker.)