[HairOfTheDog]

When you're a young man, unless you are exceptional, that's what you're looking for. Cheap desperate women who want to get into bed with you but not marry you.

Right... I know that's what's up, I just don't champion it as a way to be. Those young men become older men, but they've learned nothing about healthy relationships, they're too old for young babes to give them the time of day.... and a guy either grows up, or look overseas. Which brings us to this thread :~D

[Just another Joe]

I don't champion it but it's a very real force nonetheless.

Most do grow up, eventually. Otherwise we would have a nation of fatherless children or a nation of Asian wives and everyone of them a member of the Joy Luck club. ;^)