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SCIENTIST SURE MARS HAD WATER (LIKE GLOBAL WARMING)
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/10326675.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp ^ | Dec. 03, 2004 | Robert S. Boyd

Posted on 12/03/2004 9:54:07 AM PST by JesseHousman

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To: nightdriver
"...''No hedging needed. There was liquid water on Mars. Case closed,'' Kargel wrote in an e-mail message.

Right!!
With AVERAGE temperatures of -63 degrees, lots of water can exist in the liquid state!
All we gotta do is rewrite the laws of physics concerning water."


Not exactly. The evidence strongly suggests that the Martian atmosphere was a great deal more dense in the past, and that over millions of years, the atmosphere leeched away, due to losses from the much lower Martian gravity. This means that in the past, with a thicker blanket of air, temperatures and pressures were higher, permitting liquid water to exist on the surface.

You can't just look at EXISTING conditions and assume that they are the same thoughout the geological history of a planet. Just look at Antartica. You can find fossils of temperate region plants and animals there. That's because, many millions of years ago, that continent was not located at the South Pole. Just because Antartica is cold and frozen TODAY does not mean that it was cold and frozen 150 million years ago.
41 posted on 12/03/2004 12:23:05 PM PST by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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To: Rebel_Ace
"The evidence strongly suggests that the Martian atmosphere was a great deal more dense in the past...."

And what evidence might that be?

If the atmosphere was denser in the past, the gravitational attraction of Mars would have to have been greater also, meaning that the mass of the planet has radically decreased since its "watery" past.

The present atmosphere of Mars has a pressure similar to the Earth's at 100,000 ft., or between 4.0 and 8.7 milibars. This is all the atmosphere that the planet Mars can hold, due to its gravitational attraction (about one-third that of the Earth), and tempreature. Water at this pressure boils at very near its melting point, yet there is very little water even in Mars' atmosphere, something like 210ppm.

It would appear that the probability of water existing on Mars is largely supposition.

42 posted on 12/03/2004 1:16:40 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: JimRed

"That theory was proposed in "Worlds In Collision" by Immanuel Velikovsky..."

Did you also read 'Ages In Chaos' and 'Earth In Upheaval'?

Velikovsky's unpublished writings can be found on:
The Immanuel Velikovsky Archive
http://www.varchive.org/


43 posted on 12/03/2004 2:43:32 PM PST by Fred Nerks (understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: JesseHousman

Once the core cools, water soaks in like a sponge.


44 posted on 12/03/2004 2:51:24 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks for the link!


45 posted on 12/03/2004 4:15:11 PM PST by JimRed (Investigate, overturn and prosecute vote fraud; turn more counties red!)
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To: JimRed

You're welcome. It's nice to hear from someone who knows the name, hope you enjoy the site, it's packed with the fascinating science and videos of the great man whose work I have been studying for many years. The theme of 'Ages in Chaos' has been taken up on the following site:
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/ipuwer.html

See: The Hyksos. The Papyrus of Ipuwer confirms the first contact the fleeing slaves had with the 'Shepherd Kings' - the Amalek, (nomad arabs) at the time of the Exodus.

The Velikovskian, A Journal on:
http://www.knowledge.co.uk/velikovskian/ provides summaries and comments...


46 posted on 12/03/2004 5:28:32 PM PST by Fred Nerks (understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: JimRed
Or a comet passing so close to Mars that it ripped it's atmosphere away and left it unprotected from the sun!

That theory was proposed in "Worlds In Collision" by Immanuel Velikovsky sometime around 1950. An interesting theory, and he presents lots of evidence which seems to point that way. A pretty good read for science buffs.

I'll go that one better....if there was water on Mars, where'd it go?

How about...it's right here in plain sight....on Earth?

47 posted on 12/03/2004 5:32:46 PM PST by stboz
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To: stboz

BINGO! Remember the FLOOD?


48 posted on 12/03/2004 5:38:42 PM PST by Fred Nerks (understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Noah and his party were Martians!!! Sheila Jackson Lee has found her ancestors!!!


49 posted on 12/03/2004 5:40:41 PM PST by stboz
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Sorry, I'm an Australian. I have no idea who Sheila Jackson Lee is.

And water is the result of the combination of two molecules that are abundant throughout the universe.

Noah's connection with The Flood (of which there is ample evidence there have been several) was as a survivor; if you want to believe Noah was a Martian, be my guest.
50 posted on 12/03/2004 5:50:07 PM PST by Fred Nerks (understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: Fred Nerks
Sheila Jackson Lee is a U.S. Congressional Representative of dubious mental capacity.

Noah being Martian was a slightly sodden attempt at humor. Ms. Jackson Lee has made reference to U.S. astronauts placing the American flag there.

51 posted on 12/03/2004 5:55:46 PM PST by stboz
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To: CJR812
AL GORE DECLARES HIMSELF PRESIDENT OF THE MARTIAN PEOPLE

I hope the Martians can live with the low-flow, low- capacity water closet, which is Algore's only contribution to mankind my assiduous research into his career has been able to document.

Yes my friends, Al is the principal reason why so many Americans are four-flushers.

N.B. Memo to all my friends in the photographic community:

It is expressly forbidden to photograph any member of the Gore Family, the Clinton Family, or Martha Stewart, from behind. (I am sure some of my Freeper pals think I am kidding.)

52 posted on 12/03/2004 6:05:58 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (as my assiduous research)
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To: nightdriver
If the atmosphere was denser in the past, the gravitational attraction of Mars would have to have been greater also, meaning that the mass of the planet has radically decreased since its "watery" past.

No, it wouldn't. Outgassing from volcanoes (the same source as most of Earth's original atmosphere) would have layered Mars with a dense atmosphere in the beginning, even if it didn't have the gravity necessary to *keep* the atmosphere indefinitely.

53 posted on 12/03/2004 6:12:39 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Fred Nerks
Yozzies be fairdinkum fellas n roight bryve snike eatas, woy dancha tyke Algore n mike'im oztrylian, fcrysike? Yappy wi ya dunnies as they ah?

Boy th'wye, Hydrogen Dihydroxide is a die-njerrus kimical, stye a-wye fummit!

54 posted on 12/03/2004 6:14:54 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (as my assiduous research)
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To: JesseHousman
SCIENTIST SURE MARS HAD WATER (LIKE GLOBAL WARMING)

Okay, I'll bite -- why would you want to equate something like the evidence for water on Mars with something like "Global Warming"? Or is every scientific conclusion equally ridiculous and agenda-driven in your eyes?

55 posted on 12/03/2004 6:15:18 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: stboz

Thought for a moment she might have belonged to that other famous Jackson family...sodden attempt at humor, that's a good one...US Astronauts placing the American flag on Mars...well, why not? I want to live long enough to see a space colony on the Moon, if only to prove to the mooselimbs allah doesn't live there and throw stones at us...


56 posted on 12/03/2004 6:35:13 PM PST by Fred Nerks (understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I was aware that the english language had been tampered with by you guys over there, but only now do I realize to what extent.


57 posted on 12/03/2004 6:39:24 PM PST by Fred Nerks (understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: nightdriver

Nigthdriver,

The poster named Ichneumon beat me to a reply, but the over-all picture goes something like this:

Mars clearly had an active volcanic past. In fact, the largest volcano in the solar system (Olympus Mons) can be found on Mars. The early influx of comet bombardment, coupled with volcanic outgassing, would have kept the Martian atmosphere thicker and warmer than it is presently. While you are correct that given the mass of Mars, it could not KEEP this thick atmosphere indefinitely, the rate of "leakage" would require many millions of years for all the air to bleed away. So, for a LONG, LONG time, Mars most likely had a warmer, thicker atmosphere, as well as frozen, liquid and vapor water at or above the surface.

Again, do not look at the current condition of a system, and assume that it existed in a steady state for its entire history. Things like this are quite dynamic, before settling down to a state that can be in equilibrium.

Just looking at such a massive volcanic cone as Olympus Mons, you can tell that the actual planet was warmer, and volcanically active, even though no active volcanoes are currently observed today. When you see such huge volcanoes, natural questions arise, such as "Where did all the gas they must have spewed out go?", "How much gas must have spewed out?" and "How long did it take for the gas to disipate?".

When you see channels and troughs that look "precisely" like those on Earth that have been carved by water, especially when you can get spectrographic measurements that suggest water produced minerals exist in those locations, occam's razor strongly suggests that water existed on the planet's surface.


58 posted on 12/03/2004 7:42:27 PM PST by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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110 Mars images on 4 pages and a few surprises...spectacular enlargements.

http://gallery.colofinder.net/mars?


59 posted on 12/03/2004 7:59:27 PM PST by Fred Nerks (understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Fabulous pix! I especially liked the one titled "Water Seapage".


60 posted on 12/03/2004 8:37:16 PM PST by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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