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Chiefs oppose police immigration role
The Washington Times ^ | December 01, 2004 | UPI Article

Posted on 12/03/2004 6:40:54 AM PST by Ron H.

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To: Just another Joe
There will be vigilantism, beatings, riots, and blood in the streets before it's all over.

I would hope not, mostly because there is nothing but conjecture and innuendo to fight over.

A two paragraph proposal by Bush with no specifics that has been mislabeled amnesty. There is and will be little else because the entire thing has been stuffed by naysayers who are armed with rhetoric.

There will be no fight, because unless reforms are done, then nothing at all will be done and the problem, as it has for years, will continue to escalate.

I suggest we all get together in a conference with all sides represented and hammer out some fixes, because whatever we have now is obviously not getting the job done.

Allowing people to work here legally is not amnesty, it is a run of the mill ex-pat program. I goes on all over the world with every country. It is temporary and time specific, and the person stays at the will of the host country.

We once had a arrangement with Mexico that worked well, but it was scrapped. That is when the illegal crossings began.

The 86 amnesty was supposed to be a one time correction, but they found that all the enforcement stuff was killed by the courts. Now it is in such confusion that even the local LEO's have washed their hands of it, due to legal entanglements and turf fights.

A totally new paradigm must be developed that controls what is currently uncontrollable and the courts must be considered this time, as well as our Constitution.

If you continue to beat this dead horse, then all you will get is a sore arm. What we have now cannot be made to suddenly work and deportation of the problem is not only problematic from a logistical standpoint, but unconstitutional.

42 posted on 12/03/2004 6:35:20 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Budweiser

Bump!!


43 posted on 12/03/2004 6:41:25 PM PST by Brownie74
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To: Just another Joe
There will be vigilanteism, beatings, riots, and blood in the streets before it's all over.

I think you're right. There is already lots of resentment and rumbling in the invaded areas of Los Angeles County. The authorities try to keep it quiet, but it's happening.

44 posted on 12/03/2004 7:19:57 PM PST by janetgreen (CLOSE THE MEXICAN BORDER!!!)
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To: Budweiser

It would be safe to say 98.5 % of the rank and file working cops support tighter borders and less immigration. Chiefs however, usually hold their jobs at the pleasure of a city council and say what they're told to say.


45 posted on 12/03/2004 7:28:20 PM PST by investigateworld (( Another Cali refugee in Oregon . ))
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To: chicagolady

yeah but the money for the OT has to come from a budget somewhere.....

if the feds wont chip in (and being a contractor I think they should if they are going to be giving the cops extra duties and authorities), I can see (not agree) but see why they wouldnt do it....


46 posted on 12/04/2004 2:16:13 AM PST by MikefromOhio (37 days until I can leave Iraq for good....)
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To: Cold Heat
It is temporary and time specific, and the person stays at the will of the host country.

Don't believe for one minute that Vicente Fox and his fellow corrupt elites in power in Mexico would have the "guests" return in 3 years. Imagine 25 million Mexicans heading back home --- Fox would be angry as hell.

47 posted on 12/04/2004 9:33:21 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Fox would be angry as hell.

I do not see a lot of love going on right now.

Besides, Fox is being voted out soon. The next guy is likely going to be worse.

Returns will be staggered, and this process is going to take years to complete. Perhaps as many as ten. Over that period of time, it will not be as you fear. Those not able to be matched with jobs for security reasons will be deported first, as they will not qualify.

This would be very gradual, but that would be somewhat deceiving, as the numbers are huge. They will be working their asses off.

But hell, it won't be anything unless we do SOMETHING.

Right now, I see no chance of doing anything at all except painting more lipstick on this pig we call the immigration code.

48 posted on 12/04/2004 3:59:55 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Ron H.
Of violations of federal firearm laws?

I believe, if I'm not mistaken, this was the subject of the Supreme Court case in which it was held that Congress was not authorized to commandeer the executive agents of another sovereign.

Sorry, I have no problem if the local sheriff doesn't enforce federal law. As I read the constitution, there is about a micrometer of area in which Congress can pass criminal law. I am of the opinion that the rest of it is unconstitutional.

As I said before--if Congress wants to pass the law, then let's see them enforce it.

49 posted on 12/07/2004 7:04:19 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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