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To: safisoft

The coming of Jesus marks the end of bible and also the end of a specifically Jewish Story. However, the old testament is not a specifically Jewish story until Abraham (though the jewish geneologists can trace their line back to adam.) Furthermore God's original revelation of himself is not unique to the Jews. St Paul mentions this twice in two very different contexts.

Here are two examples. Notice in verse Acts 17:28 that Paul mentions that certain Greek Poets have witnessed the Creator God. In the second example below in Romans 1:20 Paul mentions that even barbarians have witnessed the Creator God (so they too are without excuse when they change from worshiping the Creator to worshipping created things.)

Acts 17 :: King James Version (KJV)

16
Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry.
17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.
18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.
19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)
22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
33 So Paul departed from among them.
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Romans 1 :: King James Version (KJV)

14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.
15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


96 posted on 12/04/2004 12:52:58 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
The coming of Jesus marks the end of bible and also the end of a specifically Jewish Story.

Oh really? Can you provide authoritative proof of that? Can you dispute 'Jesus' own words:

Matthew 5:17-18: Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the Torah till all is fulfilled.

Refresh my memory. When did the heavens and earth pass away - and how did I miss that one? Your dispensational theology must make the word 'fulfilled' equal to 'done away with' - which is clearly the OPPOSITE of what Y'shua ['Jesus' to you]. Let me just leave you with the warning of the Almighty:

Jer 31:35-37: Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for a light by day, the ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night, Who disturbs the sea, and its waves roar (The LORD of hosts is His Name): 'If those ordinances depart from before Me,' says the LORD, 'Then the seed of Israel shall also cease from being a nation before Me forever.' Thus says the LORD: 'If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, says the Lord.'"

Eh, how long is forever?

Romans 11:18: do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
102 posted on 12/04/2004 1:52:59 PM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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