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To: Sam the Sham
It wants flawed anti-heroes.

You mean like Maximus in Gladiator, or John Wayne or Humphrey Bogart in any of their movies, or John Travolta in Get Shorty, or Mel Gibson in Payback or most of his movies, etc., etc.

You're another idiot who speaks before he thinks.

15 posted on 11/27/2004 7:06:32 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry; Paul Atreides; quidnunc

Liberallarry, what nonsense you talk.

Maximus in "Gladiator" and John Wayne or Humphrey Bogart in any of their movies were men of heroic stature. Sometimes they were sad or discouraged, like Rick in "Casablanca". But their essential heroism was something they could never deny. Rick in "Casablanca" can't stop being a hero, can't stop fighting bullies like Strasser even when he wants to sink into inconspicuous mediocrity in a gin joint in Casablanca.

Alexander the Great stood out. His extraordinariness stood out all his life. It is the nature of the heroic character to stand out. Even as an arena slave Maximus is as revered by the other gladiators as he was as a general by his soldiers. Somehow, Hollywood has lost the ability to depict such people without wanting to diminish or belittle them in some way as if to reassure us that they were no different from us.

Perhaps you should think before typing in the future.


25 posted on 11/27/2004 7:18:49 PM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: liberallarry; Sam the Sham
Sam wrote:

It is hard to make a story about a prodigy boring. Alexander was someone whose extraordinariness was apparent at an early age, someone who struck everyone who encountered him. Notwithstanding the fact that he had a colossal mean streak at times as was shown at Thebes, Tyre, and Persepolis and to trusted comrades like Parmenion and Cleitus.

Larry replied:

You mean like Maximus in Gladiator, or John Wayne or Humphrey Bogart in any of their movies, or John Travolta in Get Shorty, or Mel Gibson in Payback or most of his movies, etc., etc.

Larry, you are confusing fictional everyman characters played brilliantly by actors like Crowe, Wayne, Bogart, Travolta, and Gibson with the Oliver Stone-driven dumbing down of an actual historical figure. Stone made a movie about Alexander the Great, and stripped all the greatness away. There is a difference, you realize?

30 posted on 11/27/2004 7:22:58 PM PST by EllaMinnow (For the first time in over 20 years, I'm not represented by Bob Graham! Go MEL!! Viva Bush!)
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