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To: HighWheeler

"Ironically, bloggers mostly feed off the work of professional journalists who do the legwork."


No....we feed off the lies, mistakes, and bias of "professional" journalists.


2 posted on 11/25/2004 7:55:35 AM PST by HighWheeler ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." Plato)
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To: HighWheeler
Ironically, bloggers mostly feed off the work of professional journalists who do the legwork. But, like parasites too stupid to realize they are killing off their hosts, the pajamahadeen don't get it every time they dig more dirt for our mass grave.

What a bunch of nonsense. If I want news on Iraq, I look at some blogs of people that are "doing the legwork" in Iraq by fighting, rebuilding, and living there that so happen to write an e-diary of what is going from there perspective.

In depth, varied and rich information content.

13 posted on 11/25/2004 8:03:07 AM PST by L,TOWM (Time to take the kid gloves OFF, Mr. President...)
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To: HighWheeler

Hehe, you gotta love the last line of the article. In the eyes of this guy (and the MSM) the bloggers and others who depend on the Internet for their news are no different from the trigger happy third-worlders who blindly fire their weapons into the air, and are puzzled by the lethal lead falling from the sky.

Just another reason why the MSM needs a slap in the face. They are completely missing the change in the status quo.


29 posted on 11/25/2004 8:08:27 AM PST by rlmorel
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To: HighWheeler
azerbis@thestar.ca

For those who wish to opine!

55 posted on 11/25/2004 8:18:07 AM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: HighWheeler
My email to her:

Ms. Zerbisias,

In your interesting article about the Pajamhedin, I believe you display an error in thought which renders the entire article nugatory.

The error, if I am right, is that you understand us (I count myself among the pajamahedin, though I should more precisely be called bathrobehedin -- I don't wear pajamas) to be attacking the sources of our information. But the problem as I see it is that in the MSM (Mainstream Media) too many reporters not only bring information to public attention but also (As Mr. Jennings in a recent advertisement claimed to do) they try to tell us what it means.

AS you and I both know, editing begins when one decides THIS story, rather than THAT one, is worthy of reporting. That editing is unavoidable. But while the MSM pretend to report, they actually end up seeking to indoctrinate.

When the MSM goes back to reporting, the pajamahedin will happily return to our enjoyably bilious commentary. But when they insult our intelligence and mislead our country's electorate by slanting their reporting, we will do what we morally and legally can to give them as much trouble as they can stomach -- and more.

In related news .... ;) I think you may not understand or appreciate the pleasure we take when our typos and misspellings are pointed out. To us this indicates that we amateurs who do not have the support of proof-readers, fact-checkers, and style books do a better job of getting the news out than you professionals.

For example, you write

Which brings us to those pajamahadeen, the online brigades who claim credit for bringing those documents into question ­ and forcing Rather to apologize for his reporting. [emphasis added]
Not only do some of us (not me) CLAIM credit for bringing the Rather-gate forgeries into question, we DESERVE credit. It was unpaid amateurs or volunteers who in a few minutes did what Gungha Dan neglected or refused to do, namely look critically at the documents he adduced as evidence.

By your use of "claim credit" you suggest that the claim is, at least, questionable. No one who knows what happened could suggest that. So we are left with an uncomfortable question: Are you dishonest, merely ignorant, or some third thing?

What ever the answer to that question is, in your attempt to mock and to disparage us, you show why we are necessary and why we will not go away. Somebody has got to care about the truth. If the professionals won't, then we amateurs will set up a howling that will continue to be heard even as far away as the editorial offices of the Toronto Star. We will not only howl. We will hunt, we will pursue, and we will catch your brethren (and sistren) in their dishonesty and we will take their jobs.

One down, uncounted thousands to go.

124 posted on 11/25/2004 9:10:58 AM PST by Mad Dawg (S&W 686P, Sig - P226, P239, Beretta 92FS & 8357,Taurus snubbie, Marlin carbine in .357 magnum.)
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To: HighWheeler
"You couldn't have a starker contrast between the multiple layers of checks and balances (on network news) and a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing."

By checks and balances, Klein meant the rigours of professional journalism — and not the opinionating of the blogosphere.

Ironically, bloggers mostly feed off the work of professional journalists who do the legwork.

Wow, is this guy an idiot. Let's see what he has said in this article. First, the bloggers uncovered that the documents were fake. Then he says we lack checks and balances. People in denial are often also delusional, as it this writer.

143 posted on 11/25/2004 9:34:17 AM PST by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Do NOT buy from junk email.)
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To: HighWheeler
Antonia, If the journalists were professional, then maybe we wouldn't have anything to write about here on FR.

At one time I got my news from the newspapers and networks, but when it became so obvious that all the news had a far left-wing slant, I had to find somewhere else to become informed. Thus, I found a home at FR. I don't read ANY newspapers anymore and watch NO network news. No need to. It's much easier to sort out the truth here.

Oh, Happy Thanksgiving.
212 posted on 11/25/2004 12:10:08 PM PST by jan in Colorado (Happy Thanksgiving)
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307 posted on 11/26/2004 3:19:23 AM PST by devolve (                             )
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To: HighWheeler
It's true that journalism's checks and balances have been known to fail. When they do, and we get caught with our grubby mitts in the cookie jar, news organizations crash and burn in spectacular fashion. But, much like the thousands of airplanes that land safely every day and don't make the news, major disasters (ie: the instances when we get caught instead of the more usual pattern of getting away with it) are few and far between.
334 posted on 11/26/2004 12:30:11 PM PST by King Prout (tagline under reconstruction)
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To: HighWheeler
"Ironically, bloggers mostly feed off the work of professional journalists who do the legwork."

No....we feed off the lies, mistakes, and bias of "professional" journalists.

THEN, WE EXPOSED THEIR LIES AND BIAS WORK

345 posted on 11/26/2004 2:18:23 PM PST by crushelits
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To: HighWheeler
"legwork"

Some of us pajamahadeens have journalism degrees so we can do our own legwork. ;) And even if we don't have the degrees....we can spot stupidity and bias 1,000 miles away.....

357 posted on 11/26/2004 3:45:57 PM PST by BossLady (A friend is one who has the same enemies as you have -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: HighWheeler
More likely we feed off the fat arses that are too lazy to do any leg work. I think a world without the oldmedia will be as least as nice as one without lawyers.
411 posted on 11/28/2004 8:07:14 AM PST by Camel Joe (Proud Uncle of a Fine Young Marine)
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To: HighWheeler
"Ironically, bloggers mostly feed off the work of professional journalists who do the legwork."

Ha. If they only knew. Some of us are award-winning journalists who got drummed out because we wanted to report the truth and they didn't want to print it.

424 posted on 11/28/2004 5:41:37 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: HighWheeler
"Ironically, bloggers mostly feed off the work of professional journalists who do the legwork."

I know this has been much mocked, but there is a certain amount of truth here, if people would get over their anti-MSM attitude long enough to admit it.

Understand that most broadcast news (except live footage of hurricanes, etc.) is ripped-off from newspapers and magazines. Ask your local newspaper reporter how often her stories are picked up (without any credit or acknowledgement) by the radio and TV stations.

Look at all the posts on Free Republic that are links to articles from other sources -- AP, Fox, Washington Times, columnists. Where bloggers make a difference usually is in taking facts reported by some media source, doing a little Googling to dig up a fact left out, or maybe adding some "local knowledge," and then "connecting the dots" to make a point that was missing from the original news article.

There's nothing wrong with that. "Real journalists" do the same thing: get a press release, make a couple of phone calls, do a Nexis search, bing-bang-boom, you got a news story. It's not completely original, but that doesn't make it illegitimate.

So it in no way detracts from what bloggers do to say that much of their work is based on reports by MSM. The guys in MSM cannibalize each other's work all the time.

462 posted on 12/06/2004 7:01:08 PM PST by Madstrider (The right wing conspiracy isn't really so vast -- we just work overtime)
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