Posted on 11/24/2004 11:20:27 AM PST by neoconsareright
WACO, Texas -- At one time, the debate over Darwin's theory existed as a cartoon in the modern imagination. Thanks to popular portrayals of the Scopes Trial, secularists regularly reviewed the happy image of Clarence Darrow goading William Jennings Bryan into agreeing to be examined as an expert witness on the Bible and then taking him apart on the stand.
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BWAHAHAHAHA! Laughable.
'cause they didn't want to morph into the next step...democrats?
> (Evolutionists) make up for the lack of scientific evidence with faith.
I'm breaking my rule of never posting on an evolutionist thread... but it is only peripherally related. Talking with my liberal hyper-atheist (former) carpool-mate, I would ask "if you don't believe in God, why is murder wrong?" His answer starts on the lines of "because it's the right thing."
"What defines right and wrong, without a Creator?" I ask.
His answer morphs into "society works better when people follow the Golden Rule." I admit to him that I too think society works well with such a rule, but point out, historically, that it is not the only rule of societal governance that is self sustaining, stable, promotes the advancement of culture, etc. (all the things that otherwise appeals to liberals).
In the end, he is forced to emphatically insist (i.e., by way of faith) that a Christian morality society is the "proper" way a society to function, except for all that God mumbo-jumbo.
Incidentally, he is a religious Darwinist, as well. So, you are right that such people also adhere to articles of faith, though they refuse to admit it.
And Sparrows were formerly T-Rex's.
It goes like this:
Our Holy God is not the author of evil. He made man in His image. The image of God includes a spirit of relationship, creativity and intelligence. In order for a creature to explore these attributes there must be instilled within each, free will.
With the free will to enter into loving relationships and explore each others creativity and intelligence, comes a price. The price is the ability to execute evil deeds. These evil deeds separate us from our Holy Creator.
In our God's unlimited grace abounds a solution to our separation. The forgiveness of our sins by His life completely lacking any evil deeds, death on the cross and resurrection from the dead.
Why the death on the cross? Because the only ransom that is valid for our evil deeds is the death and shed blood of one who is completely blameless. God sent His Son, who also inhabited eternity, to become a man like us in order that He could die in order to reestablish a relationship with our Creator.
Why the resurrection from the dead? To prove to the world that God accepted the sacrifice, and to be the doorway of a perfect human being, gaining entry into eternity for all who receive His sacrifice as a pardon for their evil deeds.
God could have made us unintelligent, lacking in creativity and not desirous of having a relationship with Him, but that would make us only animals.
P.S. Your Creator was thoughtful enough to become a man in order for you to have a personal God to relate to. He, being far superior to us, has the authority to set the standards of right from wrong. Absent His higher authority, your conservatism is just another way of viewing things. You have no basis to assert your ideas are better than anyone else's.
Therein lies the divide in this world. Those who know that God embodies the truth, and those who believe they personally embody the truth. Jesus was the fulfillment of over 300 Old Testament Messianic prophecies, and He publicly resurrected from the dead, exactly as He said He would, to authenticate His authority and differentiating Himself from all other religions.
Finally one specimen, with a small sternum
Archaeopteryx was finally classified as a MODERN BIRD.
Why will you guys not stop, why the denial?
The only debate is whether the incident was enough to do the job. That the astronomical event happened is now accepted as proven fact.
neoconsareright - "Creationists are desperate people clinging to a fantasy."
Oh, bother.
There is so much poop-flinging going on in this thread that I am really starting to see that link with monkeys after all, heh.
Seriously, there are people who accept the idea that God created/designed the universe and used an evolutionary model to do so.
The term 'evolution' is not contradictory to the concept of design, no more than it would be to speak of the evolution of modern technology and insist that that means there could be no design implied in the phrase.
As a theistic evolutionist that has deep respect for Gods Word and believes that the ID movement is legit, I deplore the polarization of any discussion that arises on evolution. It immediately deteriorates into Young Earth Creationists and deterministic materialists hurling insults at each other because few really understand the issues enough to discuss the matter calmly and using facts sans ad hominem.
One can believe in both evolution and ID. I simply rejoice to see Id given serious consideration that it deserves, despite the sniggering contempt of ignorant secular Torquemadas trying to scrounge up enough wood around a stake for a good burning.
ID is going to win this debate, and all the lies and hysteria of the Darwinists will not stop it.
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"But you're quoting Jesus Christ from the Bible. You're using the Bible to provide the proof of it's own validity. The logoc escapes me."
Normally you cannot use a source to support itself. It's circular. In the case of the bible you are not dealing with a single source. You are dealing with a collection of 66 documents with 40+ authors. There is nothing wrong with using one source within that collection to support another.
Huh??
"Adaptation" of pre-existing (God-made) life isn't quite "Darwinism."
Because you've been arguing from ignorance.
BTTT
There "is" not other available SCIENTIFIC theory. "Intelligent design" ain't science
prove it...
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