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To: webstersII
States can do whatever they want.

Why? Doesn't morality apply to them?

If you are so sharp why don't you tell me how they initially financed the Federal gov't after the country was formed, up until 1913?

Excise taxes, tariffs, land sales, etc.

Wrong once again. I am arguing morality. It is a moral question whether gov't should be taking money from certain individuals and using that money to enrich other people's lives.

Back to this again so soon after arguing that States could do whatever they want.

Your assumption is that the functions of healthcare, welfare, etc., are ones that gov't should provide to certain of the citizens at a cost to other citizens and you act as if that is a fait accompli, which it is not.

Where do you get this stuff? The functions of the State are whatever the citizens decide they should be...assuming that they are within the realm of the possible. Each citizen, of course, has different ideas. In my case I believe the State should assume a certain responsibility for health care but that they've currently assumed too large a responsibility.

BTW, I have asked you in post 80 and post 81 whether it is morally right for gov't to forcibly collect from one person or group of people and enrich other person(s) with the proceeds.

"Enrich" other people implies theft - so of course it's wrong. But if you phrase it differently - Do I believe that wealth transfer is appropriate under certain circumstances? - My answer is yes.

90 posted on 12/03/2004 10:44:23 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

" Where do you get this stuff? The functions of the State are whatever the citizens decide they should be..."

Exactly. That we agree on. I was disagreeing with your earlier post that "It's done all the time. It always has been. By every government that ever existed." That's not true.

""Enrich" other people implies theft - so of course it's wrong. But if you phrase it differently - Do I believe that wealth transfer is appropriate under certain circumstances? - My answer is yes."

You can change the wording however you want, but you can't get around the fact that if you take something from someone against their will then it's theft. It's the taking part that makes it theft, not the "enriching" others part.


91 posted on 12/06/2004 10:59:01 AM PST by webstersII
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