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Your post #149 is a good description of the situation there.

The general tone of remarks in this thread is to make the events in Ukraine into a Putin-Soros battle; if you side against one you must obviously be in league with the other. If you side with Yushchenko, you must obviously want Soros to rule the world, and you have sold your soul to the antiChrist; and if you favor Yanukovich, you must want a communist takeover.

Since I, as far as I know, am neither in league with the devil nor a secret Bolshevik (unless I'm such a secret member even I don't know it), and since I have no personal knowledge of the situation on the ground, I have to make my decision on something less than complete knowledge.

For me, its fairly simple; Russian troops have no business in the Ukraine. Thats the litmus test. After that, its up to the Ukrainians themselves to battle it out. I understand its complex, a good part of the country is evidently pro-Russia and would seek union with Moscow if they could; the other part is nationalist Ukrainian, westward-leaning,and would seek union with the EU if they could.

Since the two halves of the country are fairly evenly divided, it may be tempting for one or the other to steal the election, and that may have to be decided in the streets. But except for perhaps providing security for Russian installations in the country, Russian troops have no business in those streets.

The presence of Russian troops suggests they are there to enforce a stolen election. If it were an honest election, and the Yushchenko crowd were trying to steal it by steet violence, Uk troops could put down the rebellion. If Kuchma isn't putting his own troops into the streets, it must be that he doesn't trust them to remain neutral, or even to back the government. The presence of foreign troops is a red-flag to me.

The presence of Russian troops suggests they are there to enforce a stolen election.

Actually the insertion of the few Russian troops at the exact point at which the Sorosian otpor coup d'etat takes place, would make the key difference.

The Sorosian method is following:

1. question the election result
2. bring thousands of demonstrators and gather them around the main government buildings
3. intimidate police with future prosecution and barge inside
4. push out government officials and replace them with your own.
5. Western governments and media proclaim the victory of "democracy" and legitimize the coup.

So the solution was to insert a small unit of highly trained paratroopers from abroad at the points 3 and 4. After that Sorosians can whine and beg for the new elections (to try the 1-5 rutine again).