Posted on 11/23/2004 5:07:24 PM PST by kupia_kummi
A peaceful handover of power has reportedly been agreed in the Ukraine after protesters clashed with anti-riot police outside the president's headquarters.
Tensions in the capital Kiev reached breaking point as tens of thousands of demonstrators surrounded the HQ.
They had been called on to march by opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko.
He and his supporters believed the presidential election, which took place at the weekend, was rigged.
According to the poll results, Kremlin-backed Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych won the presidency.
But after calls from outgoing president Leonid Kuchma for talks between the two sides, Mr Yanukovych stepped aside.
Mr Yushchenko will now become president, it has been reported.
The turmoil in the Ukraine followed a day of claims and counter-claims about the disputed presidential election, which has been condemned internationally as not being "free or fair".
(Excerpt) Read more at sky.com ...
Sickening and sad. I feel so sorry for two very folks I met there there.
=== This is pure theater designed to dupe the West into believing the Ukraine and Moscow are NOT working together as one.
Golf clap for Schroeder's keeping the Moral Momentum going by throwing Bush a bone.
"Sickening and sad. I feel so sorry for two very folks I met there."
Yes it is, but it's not over until it's over. The trick is to wake OUR people up and expose the phony "collapse" of the Soviet Union. That's literally all it would take for the inherently weak Communists to fold like a house of cards that they are.
I know what you mean, but I'd quibble with your wording. Some of it may be phony, but The Collapse was not. It is Gorbachev's imaginative oblivion that has convinced himself that he orchestrated it.
=== The trick is to wake OUR people up and expose the phony "collapse" of the Soviet Union.
Sorry ... won't happen.
Americans are like dogs with a bone when it comes to clinging to those Black and White perpetual conflicts which make international politics so much easier to understand and predict. Sino-Soviet, Israeli-Arab ... uh .... uhmmm ... French-English, German-Pole?
The only thing of which it's even less likely to disabuse them is a Hollywood blockbuster ending like the fall of the Wall or pulling out ALL the stops -- a Polish Pope and Catholic lingo and everything! -- as Solidarity signals the start of Perestroika.
"Wasn't that song written by Giorgi Gershwinovich?"
And sung by Friedrich Astairovich
Yes it is, but it's not over until it's over. The trick is to wake OUR people up and expose the phony "collapse" of the Soviet Union. That's literally all it would take for the inherently weak Communists to fold like a house of cards that they are.
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What do you think, Tap? Is Yushchenko the real deal or another Soviet stooge? How shall we attack the house of cards?
"Americans are like dogs with a bone when it comes to clinging to those Black and White perpetual conflicts which make international politics so much easier to understand and predict. Sino-Soviet, Israeli-Arab ... uh .... uhmmm ... French-English, German-Pole?"
You misunderstood me. I said "our people" not you "average American." All we need is to wake up a number about the same size as our enemies (1-3% of the population). These are the people who will save the people caught in the middle (most of which will side with whichever side appears to be winning).
"What do you think, Tap? Is Yushchenko the real deal or another Soviet stooge? How shall we attack the house of cards?"
I think both sides of the Ukrainian election are rigged in favor of Moscow. Easiest way to attack the house of cards is for enough people to be willing to say (of the "former" Soviet Union) the Emperor has no cloths!!! Translation: Read Anatoly Golitsyn and spread the word about what's really going on over there (FReep me for some links if you like).
Thanks for the info...
Let me see if I get this straight. One of the candidates won the election and the exit polls agreed with this margin of victory. His opponent is pro EU (like Kerry). His opponents supporters took to the streets claiming "election fraud" and demanded the winner step down. He did and now the loser is the winner.
Based on whatever he says, I would claim that the opposite is the truth.
Vladimir Putin is playing a far more desperate game than George Bush, but they're both playing in the same game.
Bush has a porous border with tens of thousands of illegals who may or may not be terrorists swarming over our countryside. Bush has organizations with power bases in many foreign lands that we lack access to plotting ill for our country and our citizens.
Vladimir Putin has a non-existant border with millions of people who are actively and publicly committed to the destruction of his country and the death of every one of his citizen's living within a days drive of his capitol. He has governments supported by the UN declared as enemies of his continuing to breath.
Putin is fighting for his own and his peoples survival, as George Bush is, but Putin has enemies with armies within his ZIP code.
He isn't thinking empire. He's thinking about breathing tomorrow. Cut the man a LITTLE slack, particularly when assessing stories planted in the MSM. Maybe they might have an agenda of their own? NAH! Never happen!
I am greatly encouraged by these developments. Putin and company backed the candidate that favored Moscow and Moscow's view of the world. When push came to shove Vladimir Putin has apparently put his weight behind a peaceful transition to THE OTHER SIDE in order to maintain the legitimacy of the government in the Ukraine. He has publicly backed this deal, even to the extent of mentioning Russian troops to make it happen.
This is good, if true. This is HUGE, if true. This warrants not only a visit to the Bush Ranch, but maybe an offer of land in Texas for his own retirement place. Of course, Putin is looking forward to a comfy retirement in a Dacha in the Moscow hills, with his lovely German appliances and his 3 layers of security guards.
This isn't 1970 and Putin isn't Brezhnev. Look with new eyes. He's not perfect, he's not our friend, but he's not automatically the bad guy, either.
No, Yushchenko is for independent Ukraine, leaning towards west and US, rather than return to bolshevik "paradise" as Kuchma-Yanukovych are orchestrating with Putin "help".
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