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To: flashbunny

I don't know where you live, but I haven't EVER seen a TARGET as part of a MALL. So the public space thing is of course puff.

Sears manages to survive just fine with Kettles, even to this day and they are PRIMARILY in malls. As do hundreds of retailers across the country.

Yes, I have no doubt some lawyer on their executive staff has said, guys you know you could get sued... but this is america if you are afraid of being sued go out of Business NOW! Cowardice is cowardice, not matter how you sugar coat it.

If Target doesn't want the ringers, then why not do the whole "ROUND UP" concept used by grocery stores with the proceeds going to a corporate selected charity, that just happens to be the Salvation Army? This is bulletproof legally, and would have been a killer PR nullifier in terms of their fear of being branded in the press for kicking the ringers out.

Sorry, just not buying the line Targets still cares and is a good corporate citizen. Hard line to buy when they are selling sexualized clothing to prepubesent kids, even harder to buy when they shut off one of the most efficient charity on the planet.



47 posted on 11/23/2004 1:13:57 PM PST by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: HamiltonJay

"I don't know where you live, but I haven't EVER seen a TARGET as part of a MALL. So the public space thing is of course puff. "

1. Go back and read. I said "like malls" Thinks like malls, both strip and regular, In which there are MANY targets - especially at strip malls. Just because you haven't seen one of target's thousands of stores in a strip mall doesn't mean they don't exists.
2. Go do a little research on the court cases.

So do you volunteer to pay target's court costs should they be sued? It's really easy to demand a business take a tough stand when it's not your money at risk.

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If Target doesn't want the ringers, then why not do the whole "ROUND UP" concept used by grocery stores with the proceeds going to a corporate selected charity, that just happens to be the Salvation Army? This is bulletproof legally, and would have been a killer PR nullifier in terms of their fear of being branded in the press for kicking the ringers out. "

Again, try a little research first. Target doesn't need to 'Round Up' for the salvation army - they already give money and merchandise directly to the salvation army.

But I guess that isn't good enough - only if target donates in the manner you specify will it be good enough for you. Sheeesh.


50 posted on 11/23/2004 1:19:07 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: HamiltonJay
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/charity/sallyann.asp

In 2002, an e-mail penned by a veteran angered by a local Target store's refusal to contribute $100 to the travelling Vietnam Veterans' Memorial Wall exhibit resulted in a torrent of undeserved criticism being directed at that retail chain. The turndown, which actually had been an attempt to channel the funds-seeker towards the grants program of the corporation, was taken by that man as proof that Target did not support veterans. His call for a boycott of the retailer spread far and wide, becoming one of the most actively e-mailed pleas of 2003.

The claim that Target did not support veterans was false. Not only is the corporation one of the most generous business entities in the U.S., routinely topping Forbes magazine's list of "America's Most Philanthropic Companies," it donates to veteran-related causes, including exhibits like the one it was pilloried over its supposedly having given the cold shoulder.

In light of the above, it is ironic that in 2004 the Target Corporation has again aroused the ire of some shoppers over its rebuff of a charitable effort, but this time for actually having turned away a humanitarian organization rather than for the unfounded rumor of its having said no to a popular cause.

Earlier in the year, Target had announced a new corporate policy that banned Salvation Army collection kettles from its storefronts. The retailer had a no-solicitation policy at its stores but previously had made an exception for the Salvation Army. That exception has now gone by the wayside. In a September 2004 statement, Target spokesperson Carolyn Brookter said the chain "determined that if we continue to allow the Salvation Army to solicit, then it opens the door to other groups that wish to solicit our guests."

"It's becoming increasingly difficult to have an exception to our policy, so we decided we would have no exceptions," Brookter said. "This year we just said it's time to ... make our solicitation policy consistent."


Again, the facts reveal you to be completely and totally wrong. But go ahead, maybe by throwing insults at me for defending the truth will help you win your argument.
54 posted on 11/23/2004 1:26:24 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: HamiltonJay
"I don't know where you live, but I haven't EVER seen a TARGET as part of a MALL. So the public space thing is of course puff. "



All I had to do was google target & mall, and poof (or puff), you are AGAIN proven wrong.

http://www.kirkwood-mall.com/go/dirListing.cfm?CurrCat=225&#Start

So far, everything I've posted has been proven correct by facts. Everything you have posted has been shown to be wrong. Then you resort to name calling because you have been shown to be wrong.

I'll be waiting for an apology, but I won't hold my breath.
59 posted on 11/23/2004 1:37:43 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: HamiltonJay

there are plenty of target stores at malls...stip malls, enclosed malls...


147 posted on 11/25/2004 9:24:26 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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