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To: flashbunny

Oh get off your high horse. My family volunteers time to the boy and girl scouts (and we don't even have a daughter), the food bank and my local church and school... that doesn't even get into the money and time I donate to other causes and charities.

Target and other retailers banning bell ringers is just rediculous. Salvation Army doesn't accost customers or in any way interfere with their doing business.

The arguments they are giving for banning the ringers are rediculous and insulting. Sure they have a right to do it, but at least stand up and be honest about it instead of lies like "if we let one on, we have to let everyone"... or "they accost our customers"... its crap. It shows that the priorities of these corporations is out of whack in terms of their place in their communities.

Sorry a company that sells sexualized clothing for 6 year olds with things like "scent to bed" printed on them has no moral authority when it claims it can't allow bell ringers... They, and others like them, should be called to the carpet for this sort of behavior.

I work hard for my $$$, and I am not going to support a company or corporation that is going to ban the Kettle. No more than I would support a corporation or company that is working to ban the Boy Scouts. My choice, and I intend to make it, and I intend to speak to others about it as well.


32 posted on 11/23/2004 12:35:54 PM PST by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: HamiltonJay

"The arguments they are giving for banning the ringers are rediculous and insulting. Sure they have a right to do it, but at least stand up and be honest about it instead of lies like "if we let one on, we have to let everyone"... or "they accost our customers"... its crap. It shows that the priorities of these corporations is out of whack in terms of their place in their communities. "

Please - get the facts before you pontificiate.

Target has been granting an exemption to their no solicitation policy for only the salvation army for years. They told them in JANUARY that their exemption would end. The SA had nearly a full year to find other locations - but they failed. That's not target's fault.

Know why target has a no solicitation policy? Because of bad court rulings by activist judges that ruled places like malls 'public spaces', and that if a business allowed one solicitor (like the SA), they must allow all solicitors (like moveon.org, ANSWER, freemumia, etc).

For years target held themselves at risk of expensive litigation to let only the SA solicit at their stores. This year they decided not to do it anymore. They gave them a FULL YEAR to prepare alternate locations. What heartless bastards they are at target, right?

The fact is that this a great way to discourage any business from getting involved with a charity - you can can help them out for years, with space, money, and merchandise - but when you need to make the decision to end just ONE of the ways you help out, people crawl out of the woodwork to cry 'BOYCOTT!!!!' because it makes them feel good.

It's just pathetic, and the boycott crowd are the ones tyring to get on the high horse and look down at people who try to interject some common sense and facts into the discussion.

But go ahead, bluster away, if it makes you feel better.


34 posted on 11/23/2004 12:44:04 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: HamiltonJay
The arguments they are giving for banning the ringers are rediculous and insulting. Sure they have a right to do it, but at least stand up and be honest about it instead of lies like "if we let one on, we have to let everyone"... or "they accost our customers"... its crap. I

Tell the ACLU how ridiculous it is. And while you're at it, let the ACLU know about any other businesses that allow the SA to solicit in front of them, so they can sue and arrange for a dozen other groups to set up and solicit your $$$.
56 posted on 11/23/2004 1:27:48 PM PST by jimthewiz (California conservative in a bright red county)
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