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Protests Ring Out After Target Bans Salvation Army
NewsMax.com ^ | Tuesday, Nov. 23, 2004 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 11/23/2004 11:16:59 AM PST by FairfaxVA

Some consumers and advocacy groups are upset that retailers including Target have banned the Salvation Army's Christmas tradition of bell-ringing volunteers who solicit donations for the poor.

The bans have touched off controversy among retailers. Some top sellers seem to be catering to the charity to win over consumers ticked off at other stores for kicking the bell-ringers off their property.

"The Salvation Army has a remarkable history of providing year-round service to families, and Big Lots is proud to continue our tradition of helping with their fundraising goals," this Columbus, Ohio, retailer said in a statement after Target's announcement it would ban the charity.

They were followed by auto parts chain AutoZone and the nation's No. 3 bookseller chain, Books-A-Million Inc., the Boston Globe reported. BJ's Wholesale Club Inc. has also stepped in to help by allowing the kettles at its stores.

The nation's No. 1 retailer, Wal-Mart, has also welcomed the bell-ringers, but with restrictions: They must stand outside stores and are limited to 14 days, the Globe said.

The bans by Target, Circuit City, Best Buy, Home Depot and others come amid the Salvation Army's 113th year of doing what it can to fend for the poor and unfortunate.

Shoppers "are coming here for a reason, and the reason is not for solicitation of any kind by a third party," said Steve Mullen, a spokesman for Circuit City.

Target's decision "was a huge shock and a huge source of discouragement for us," Lt. David Grindle, a spokesman for the charity, told Fox News Channel.

The retailer pointed to its corporate policy forbidding solicitation.

"Like many nationwide retailers, Target Corporation has implemented this policy in order to be consistent with all the groups that request access to our stores and to provide our guests with a comfortable, distraction-free shopping environment," the company says in a statement posted on its Web site.

"Target does not permit individuals (including political candidates and/or their campaign organizations) or non-profit organizations to solicit donations, distribute literature, sell merchandise, or hold events on our premises.

"Our company has many other means by which it can support organizations whose charitable programs fall within our corporate giving guidelines." Target says it gives $2 million annually to "neighborhoods, programs and schools across the country."

The policy will no doubt be a blow to the charity, which last year collected 10 percent of its $93 million in holiday collections from Target shoppers, Fox News said.

'A Lump of Coal'

It's unclear whether the kettle-kicking retailers dislike the Salvation Army or are merely acting out of concern for customers. What is clear is that not all customers like their decisions.

"It's a disgrace," South Boston resident Phyllis McElaney told the Globe. "The bell ringers remind you of the meaning of Christmas, that it's about love, caring, and giving."

"Call it a safe bet - maybe even a bright-red, bull's-eye, fashionable, smartly priced bet - that American life has become too corporate or complex when Target banishes the Salvation Army's bell ringers," Indianapolis Star columnist Ruth Holladay wrote.

Others say they'll take their business elsewhere.

"I thought it was wrong because the Salvation Army is a good cause. They take care of lots of good people around the country and in our community. I won't be supporting Target this year, at all," once-loyal Target shopper Jeffrey Trimm told Christian World News.

Robert Knight of Concerned Women for America told CWN, "Millions of Christians give Target millions of dollars in their Christmas shopping, and what they've gotten from Target in return? A lump of coal.

"We had one tangible aspect of Christmas, beyond the commercial reason. We had the Salvation Army out there, a Christian charity collecting money for the poor at Christmas. What a great counterweight to the all-mighty dollar which is being worshipped in these stores," he added.

The opposition has even produced a Web site called bantarget.org, calling on all shoppers to spend their money at businesses that support bell-ringers.

Grindle says if the charity can't replace its losses, it will have to cut services.


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To: FFIGHTER
BTW, that's the beauty of America--FREEDOM OF CHOICE- Target made their choice and I am free to make mine.
You and flashbunny sound like third world dictators telling people they have to shop at Target even though they are repulsed by the company's decision and policy.
141 posted on 11/24/2004 5:28:35 PM PST by bfree
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To: bfree

First vulgarity has no place in discourse; it is the refuse of the challenged. In my post there was no statement, or implied imposition, pertaining to where someone should conduct their consumer transactions. I wanted to ascertain, if there was some litmus test or standard to be applied, or was being applied, as to where people were conducting their shopping activities, and if there were standards, or a litmus test, if it was being applied in a consistent manner.

This is just one in a long series of threads, addressing various retailers, and other consumer marketers in which some litmus test, though not clearly defined, a derived standard was being applied to conducting business with these various retailers. Target on this thread, any many other threads, Wal-Mart on several others, along with the varied assortment of grocers, auto-stores in which the constructed purpose and continuing dialogue was to use economic boycott to implement change at the particular retailer-dejour. If such standards exist, can they be defined and applied consistently. I merely wanted to be informed which retailers meet these standards, or litmus test.

Freedom of choice, thank a Vet.


142 posted on 11/25/2004 4:12:21 PM PST by FFIGHTER
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To: FFIGHTER
If such standards exist, can they be defined and applied consistently. I merely wanted to be informed which retailers meet these standards, or litmus test. Freedom of choice, thank a Vet.

Personal choice by people takes precendence over you wanting things defined. Freedom of choice by each individual makes the difference, not some catch phrasing you wish spelled out. I am a vet, so you are welocme.

143 posted on 11/25/2004 7:23:27 PM PST by bfree
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To: FFIGHTER
If such standards exist, can they be defined and applied consistently. I merely wanted to be informed which retailers meet these standards, or litmus test. Freedom of choice, thank a Vet.

Personal choice by people takes precendence over you wanting things defined. Freedom of choice by each individual makes the difference, not some catch phrasing you wish spelled out. I am a vet, so you are welcome.

144 posted on 11/25/2004 7:24:53 PM PST by bfree
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To: bfree
How does a question suppress your personal choice. I merely posed a question, seeking some discourse on the subject. My interest, was a result of the large number of recent threads reporting calls for boycotts of various National Retailers and Manufacturers, I was merely seeking any trends, or patterns in regard to these calls for boycotts. Apparently full discourse and freedom of speech and expression does not raise to the level of freedom of choice with many. It is merely a empirical observation, but many of these calls for boycotts are not motivated by a cause, but from personal experience, which is just as legitimate a reason to not support a merchant, I just like a little intellectually honesty. A while back there was a call to boycott Target, because they supposedly do not support Veterans, Reservist or the Guard. The calls for boycotting Target rang out, even after the facts came out that provided this to be a complete rumor. Though the calls for boycotting the store continued. As a member of the Reserve Officers Association we have had to set the record straight on these rumors and honored Target for its commitment to reservist with benefits and pay differential, as well as several other organizations that were falsely accused of their mistreatment of Veterans, Reservist, and the Guard. By the way I do not shop at Target, personal choice. I just hope that everyone makes such decisions fully informed, it is a wish, but then again people can make their own choices whether based on facts or not. Thank you for your service.
145 posted on 11/25/2004 8:53:42 PM PST by FFIGHTER
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target is wrong, because there is no other way to give money to the salvation army.

but then again, everyone who is boycotting target can just shop at salvation army stores!


146 posted on 11/25/2004 9:16:29 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: HamiltonJay

there are plenty of target stores at malls...stip malls, enclosed malls...


147 posted on 11/25/2004 9:24:26 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: tallhappy

less likely that than pressure from groups like PFLAG and their ilk... must give in to the dark side...


148 posted on 12/06/2004 8:54:48 PM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: flashbunny

Do you work for Target? It sure sounds like you have a hidden agenda. I will not be shopping there again. Frankly, Wal Mart has better prices than Target does. The store is clean, the personnel help you, and they are friendly. Having the SA there only helps!


149 posted on 12/06/2004 9:28:03 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an angel)
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To: bfree

Isn't that the truth?


150 posted on 12/06/2004 9:30:37 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an angel)
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To: MamaB
"Do you work for Target? It sure sounds like you have a hidden agenda."

No, I don't work for target.

My only agenda is to do what I can to stand up to idiocy, no matter what the political affiliation of the people spouting it. Unfortunately that is getting more and more necessary here.

Just saw on the news that the salvation army, even though it isn't collecting at the target locations, is short of bell ringers and they have to put cardboard cutouts at several locations.

If all the people here and elsewhere on the web that said they were going to boycott target got off their butts and volunteered, the SA wouldn't have to rely on cardboard cutouts.

But it's easier to give a 'harrumph' and announce plans to boycott rather than doing the hard work of actually helping the salvation army by volunteering. It's the low-effort way to pose for holy pictures.

What a bunch of freaking hypocrites.
151 posted on 12/06/2004 10:42:37 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: flashbunny

Target sales are down, hopefully, they will drop you as a PR shill.


152 posted on 12/11/2004 5:54:20 PM PST by bfree
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To: FairfaxVA

The store chain Target has decided this Christmas to ban the Salvation Army from placing their bell ringers outside their stores to solicit funds for the wonderful work they do for our nation's most vulnerable. In my opinion, giving to the causes that the Salvation Army serves is a lot more about the Christmas season than the merchandise I buy from Target, so we are banning Target from our shopping until they change their policy banning the Salvation Army. If it takes them until next year, or the next, that is entirely Target's call. Join me in this effort by not shopping there, and encouraging your friends to do likewise. Then communicate this to Target at:

http://www.targetcorp.com/targetcorp_group/contactus/contact_general.jhtml

This is what I said:

"My family regularly shops at Target, yet the news that Target has banned the Salvation Army from soliciting donations this Christmas will change that. Like you, the Christmas season is their major source of revenues. They do an extraordinary amount of good for the nation's most vulnerable. The damage Target has inflicted upon that effort cannot be measured. I will not shop at Target until they change their policy toward the Salvation Army, and I will encourage my friends to do likewise. Please let me know when you change your policy."

Please pass this onto those in your address book & Merry Christmas!


153 posted on 12/24/2004 9:33:58 AM PST by DBCJR (Take Action Against CBS!!!)
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To: GOPologist

a winner! I suspect that is the real reason they caved so quickly to the demand by a particular interest group to stop the bell ringers.

A nearby target does not seem to be hurting but I don't care. Target has nothing special that is not available everywhere else for the same price or less.


154 posted on 12/24/2004 9:38:21 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: GOPologist

a winner! I suspect that is the real reason they caved so quickly to the demand by a particular interest group to stop the bell ringers.

A nearby target does not seem to be hurting but I don't care. Target has nothing special that is not available everywhere else for the same price or less.


155 posted on 12/24/2004 9:38:22 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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