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To: Brilliant

what is wrong with you? ukraine is trying for reforms to get rid of russian influenced communists. yushchenko is the conservative candidate. the other is a russian communist stooge. if you dont know what you are talking about first ask instead of spouting off.


5 posted on 11/22/2004 9:09:59 PM PST by KOZ. (Reducing liberalism from a threat to a mere nuisance. Just like prostitution.)
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To: KOZ.

Victor Yushenko, the pro-western candidate.
If I were an Ukrainian, I'd sooner vote for Freddie Kruger...
7 posted on 11/23/2004 1:16:45 AM PST by bgarid
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To: KOZ.

Huh? What does that have to do with what I said? The vote is the vote. Just because you and the NYT don't like the result doesn't make it fraud.

If you cry fraud every time the election doesn't come out as you like it, then you are basically claiming that democracy doesn't work. So why have it? Your viewpoint is self-defeating.

Unfortunately, the ends justifies the means does not work when your goal is to establish democracy. You can't say, "well, our candidate lost in this election, but he's the most democratic candidate, and the vote wasn't fair, so we should throw out the results."

If you really want to get from A to B, then you do your best to make sure the vote is fair before it happens, and then you back the result, no matter what it is. There is no other alternative at that point. Declaring the vote a fraud is itself conceding defeat.

Of course, if it really was a fraud, then you've been defeated anyway, but there is no way to undo it until the next election.


8 posted on 11/23/2004 5:03:48 AM PST by Brilliant
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