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Bush, Hu Jintao agree on North Korea, Taiwan
Taipei Times ^ | 2004-11-21 | AP

Posted on 11/20/2004 8:55:57 PM PST by Lessismore

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To: EGPWS

Most Westerners seem to fail utterly to see the degree to which

The Chinese have done so much with so little for so long--it's virtually a national skill; a national asset.

They certainly would be quite willing to sacrifice far more than most Americans for any number of national goals.

One key problem that will have unknown impact is the horrid levels of corruption that are causing increasing disruption and malcontent. But, then, perhaps a war with the USA would be just the ticket to distract from that, too.


21 posted on 11/20/2004 10:44:01 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: EGPWS

They are quite confident that the rest of the world will come to China for goodies to more than replace the buying power of the USA. And, certainly they have made plenty of 'preliminary' political enroads and various liasons with Europe as well as South America.


22 posted on 11/20/2004 10:45:40 PM PST by Quix (PRAY 4 PRES BUSH'S SAFETY; SPECTER OFF COMMITTEE; TROOPS; GOD'S PROTECTION)
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To: Mount Athos
You are simply wrong. That has never been policy, expressed or inexpressed.

We went over this before on earlier threads when Powell made the comments.

23 posted on 11/20/2004 10:46:43 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Lessismore
If this article is true Bush did not deserve to be re-elected and I wasted my vote.

We should wait to hear Bush's exact words he made public or an offical acknowledgement of what he said privately.

24 posted on 11/20/2004 10:48:21 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: the_gospel_of_thomas
No thanks to Colin Powell.

Busk stops with Bush. According to this article Bush went along with the ChiComs all the way.

25 posted on 11/20/2004 10:49:18 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: EGPWS
It is NOT going to happen, at least in our lifetime.

I agree -- unless Bush keeps acting like Clinton and encouraging the ChiComs to attack as he he seems to have done if this article is correct.

26 posted on 11/20/2004 10:50:27 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy
and KERRY would have done better ????


Perhaps Bush is attempting to de-fuze ONE problem at
a TIME.

We shall see what W has to offer the Chinese when the
time comes ...
27 posted on 11/20/2004 10:52:55 PM PST by the_gospel_of_thomas (Know your Enemy and Know yourself)
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To: Lessismore

Related story -- Bush said nothing publicly nor officially.

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White House mum on Taiwan in wake of Bush-Hu talks
China president expresses appreciation for U.S. adherence to 'one-China' policy
2004-11-21 / Taiwan News, Staff Reporter / By Tsai Ting-I

U. S. President George Bush refrained yesterday from making any public statements on Taiwan in a press conference that was held following a meeting with China President Hu Jintao (ŒÓ‹ÑŸ·) at an APEC meeting.

Taipei had been anxious about the meeting between the two leaders, particularly in light of a recent statement by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell who said that Taiwan was not a sovereign state and hinted at new guidelines for Taiwan's future "re-unification" with China.

However, while Hu said that the Taiwan question was discussed, a White House press release on the meeting failed to make any mention of the issue.

Hu said that he "highly appreciated President Bush's adherence to the 'one-China' policy and the three communiques, as well the U.S. leader's opposition to Taiwan independence."

Bush's silence on the issue was interpreted as a positive sign by the Taiwan Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

"(We think) it is a good thing that President Bush did not make any statements," said MOFA Spokesman Michel Lu yesterday.

Before the meeting, China had stressed that Taiwan was at the top of its agenda.

"In order to make the constructive relationship better, the two sides need to appropriately handle bilateral issues, one of which is Taiwan, the most sensitive issue facing Sino-U.S. relations," Vice Foreign Minister Zhou Wenzhou told journalists ahead of the APEC meeting.

While the United States has closely followed an ambiguous "one-China" policy over the past quarter of a century, it had never explicitly stated that Taiwan is not independent and does not enjoy sovereignty as a nation, previous to Powell's statement last month.

Bush administration officials have already flagged Bush's unequivocal restatement of U.S. support for the "one-China" policy and Washington's opposition to any unilateral change to the status quo.

http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/Politics/2004/11/21/1101005580.htm


28 posted on 11/20/2004 10:55:40 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy
unless Bush keeps acting like Clinton and encouraging the ChiComs to attack as he he seems to have done if this article is correct.

L. Ron Hubbard thinking will get you nowhere my FRiend.

29 posted on 11/20/2004 10:55:53 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: the_gospel_of_thomas

What are you blathering about?


30 posted on 11/20/2004 10:56:14 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: EGPWS

Who is L Ron Hibbard. What are you blathering about?


31 posted on 11/20/2004 10:56:40 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy
What are you blathering about?

Your blathering of course, I hope you don't take offense. Do you?

32 posted on 11/20/2004 10:59:25 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS
Offence at what? You don't make any sense.

Make your point related to the issue in comprehensible terms. The topic is Taiwan as independent from China or whether we, via our President and his administration's policy's are trying to consign it to come under communist rule.

The sub-issue is whether or not we support free nations over dictatorships and encourage and recognize free democratic states.

33 posted on 11/20/2004 11:02:55 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy
Since Bush became President, I've noticed two separate directions in his policy toward the Chinas. He has sold some of the military equipment to Taiwan that it wanted, not all. The Red Chinese were unhappy about that. He has remained on friendly terms with the Red Chinese, publicly wearing their oriental costume when in China. I don't remember him visiting Taiwan. He has allowed his State Dept. to continue talking about "One China" meaning that Red China owns Taiwan. There is no consistency.

I wasn't happy with Bush/Rice's handling of the E-3 incident. I suspect I won't be happy with the direction the administration will take toward Taiwan in the next four years. The big question is whether America would defend Taiwan against Red Chinese aggression?
34 posted on 11/20/2004 11:16:04 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: EGPWS
You must be planning to have a very short lifetime. RIP
By 2006 China will have 800 ballistic missiles pointed at Taiwan. With Bush embracing Communist China and turning a blind eye to China's policy of slavery, forced abortions, religious genocide, and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, there is little to stop China and its policy of reunification.
35 posted on 11/20/2004 11:16:28 PM PST by Goldwater4ever (Voted early, voted often... for Bush)
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To: Lessismore
This is Hu!


36 posted on 11/20/2004 11:43:34 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: tallhappy; Cincinatus' Wife

Peace in our time!


37 posted on 11/20/2004 11:45:22 PM PST by risk
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To: tallhappy

why don't you google L. Ron Hubbard and find out...


38 posted on 11/21/2004 12:04:13 AM PST by scoastie
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To: Quix

china won't invade Taiwan at this stage unless Taiwan formly declare independence. Until now, I haven't seen
any incense of doing that. the Taiwanese people is more and more inclined to become independent, however, it is still not enough. it still has not come to the threshold.


39 posted on 11/21/2004 12:10:32 AM PST by however1
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To: the_gospel_of_thomas

I thought it was Kisinger that came up with the One China policy that every administration has adhered to since.

We acknowledge that Formosa/Taiwan is part of China, but they acknowledge that they cannot force Formosa/Taiwan to reintegrate with the political structure of People's Republic of China. Bush has restated that the U.S. will defend Taiwan from such a "reintegration" by force, but U.S. policy has been since One China policy that the Taiwanese have to go along with the fiction that they are part of PRC and don't do something stupid like declaring "independence."

It's all a diplomatic shell game that has been going on for decades now. No news here actually.


40 posted on 11/21/2004 12:14:10 AM PST by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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