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To: xzins; Wil H
There are ample contemporaneous accounts that reaffirm the social phenomena of homoeroticism amongst the ancient Greeks, and I have no reason to engage in some revisionist interpretation of them. If you assume that all later transcriptions fabricated this material for some inexplicable reason, then yes, you can make very few, if any, firm statements whatsoever about the ancient Greeks. Since I think it's absurd to pretend the Romans just fabricated Greek homoeroticism out of whole cloth, we will have to agree to disagree.

Aeschines Against Timarchus survives from the time of Alexander's father, Phillip II. In fact, that spectacle ultimately involved Demosthenes' attempts to save the Athenian envoys to Macedon from capital charges of treason. The transcript of the trial and the reversal three years later (transcribed in Demosthenes' Against the False Embassy) make the extent of homoeroticism in 340s BC Athens very clear.

82 posted on 11/21/2004 9:06:24 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv

The Greek people seem to disagree with this history.

They believe it's been advanced by western, media culture who are trying to advance an agenda.

My sense is that there's more to the story.

As a student of the bible, I know that the bible has thousands of times more attestation than does any of these greek stories. However, it is put under serious scrutiny.

My point, these could be aesop's fables for all we known. They could be anything promulgated by any historic enemy. You simply don't know, nor do I.

But I do know this. One book doesn't tell the story of a culture any more than reading ONLY "It Takes a Village" 4000 years from now, will be the truth of our era.

And imagine if all that was preserved was something from Elton John????


85 posted on 11/21/2004 10:14:35 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: AntiGuv

You miss my point, Just because one segment of society was into homoeroticism doesn't mean it was universally condoned.

Whackhos in New England support gay marriage so should I label you a supporter too?


91 posted on 11/22/2004 7:26:37 AM PST by Wil H
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