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To: little jeremiah
Therefore, might makes right. Whoever is the big dog will make the rules. Someday a bigger dog may come along and make rules that you don't like, if there are no absolutes standards. None of you has addressed this fact.

Exactly. Welcome to the human condition. Might does indeed make right, and there are already rules in place that I don't like, but I'm forced to obey.

I'm something of a knife afficianado. IMHO, the butterfly knife is the best design for a folding knife in existance, bar none. However, they're illegal to carry in the state of Texas. Never mind the fact that I carry a gun, I can't legally carry a butterfly knife. It's too stupid for words.

Alas, stupid or not, the rule is in place and via the use of force the state of Texas has made it a losing proposition to carry a butterfly knife. If I disobey the big dog will haul my ass into court, take my money, and possibly my liberty.

My job has a freedom loving individual is to do my absolute best to guide my government into codifying only that which it MUST, MUST, MUST take upon itself to regulate and/or criminalize. If there is ever any doubt, I'm siding with the individual and against government. We owe it to ourselves, and to our neighbors to promote not the absence of law, not anarchy, but a minimum of law.

So, when you say, "You are saying that traditional moral absolutes should not inform what the government can and can't do.", you're way off base. I'm not arguing that no line should be drawn. I'm not arguing that every individual should be absolutely free to do anything he/she desires. What I am saying, unequivocally, is that it is as grievous a harm to try to outlaw everything you percieve as immoral as it is to outlaw nothing. However, you seem to be unable to grasp that very important point.

503 posted on 11/26/2004 4:04:39 PM PST by Melas
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To: Melas

I appreciate your reasoned response.

My response is this:

You want the definer to be your mind and its (current) thoughts.

I want the definer to be the codes of moral absolutes that have always existed, that are essentially the same in every religion in the world, and have been agreed upon by the great moral and intelligent thinkers of history. Such as Edmund Burke, Blackstone, and Jefferson. Not anonymous posters on FR, however interesting such individuals may be. I concur with them, I don't try to surpass them impudently.


506 posted on 11/26/2004 11:03:50 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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