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To: DrC
A marine CANNOT kill another person based on speculation about what that person "might have done" as that would leave enough discretion to kill literally anything in sight, depending on the circumstances.

The Marine shot an insurgent terrorist in the act of committing a War Crime. The terrorist was out of uniform (a War Crime) and using a mosque as a military base (a War Crime). Other incidents had occurred with booby trapped bodies (a War Crime), false surrender (a War Crime) and faking injuries to lure into ambush (a War Crime).

According to the Geneva Convention, because of the wide spread commission of War Crimes by the terrorists the US military is no longer bound by the Geneva Conventions (it is not a suicide pact) in this conflict - the terrorists are no longer protected. We do not have to aid the wounded, avoid civilian casualties or take prisoners. We don't even have to respect the Red Cross as there are documented cases of the terrorists using Red Cross vehicles and markings to move troops and munitions. We do not have to honor surrender as the terrorists have used false surrender to ambush our troops. Any of that that we do is solely our choice. How many of the troops we have lost in Faluja, or even in the entire war were due to terrorists engaging in War Crimes?
108 posted on 11/18/2004 7:48:25 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is the Socialist Mafia. It is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: calenel

calenel wrote: "The Marine shot an insurgent terrorist in the act of committing a War Crime. The terrorist was out of uniform (a War Crime) and using a mosque as a military base (a War Crime). Other incidents had occurred with booby trapped bodies (a War Crime), false surrender (a War Crime) and faking injuries to lure into ambush (a War Crime)."

If it were so cut-and-dried, I'm surprised that the West Point professor didn't raise this as a defense. Indeed, I have never seen this argument until you raised it. So you might be right, but I'm puzzled why none of the many experts I've heard discuss this situation concur with your point of view. I don't pretend to be an expert on this incident or UCMJ in general, but I wasn't aware that UCMJ uses one set of rules of engagement for "legitimate" enemy combatants and a completely different set of rules for everyone else.

My position continues to be that I trust the UCMJ process and won't be surprised if that process ultimately results in a conviction in that case. Taking this position is NOT tantamount to siding with the enemy, nor do I in any way condone the utter disregard for life and rules of war exhibited by the enemy, which I find deplorable and despicable. I absolutely support the mission in Iraq. My simple point is that we do that cause and mission no good by ourselves abandoning all principles and stooping to the same level of lawlessness as the enemy.
"I was ordered to do it" was not a defense at Nuremburg nor
should "But they did things that were even worse" be a defense in this instance. There's no question that the fact that the enemy has booby-trapped dead bodies etc. is absolutely an important factor in determining whether this marine might reasonably have assessed there was a credible threat posed by the individual he shot.


208 posted on 11/22/2004 7:58:30 AM PST by DrC
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