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Bin Laden Expert Steps Forward
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/12/60minutes/printable655407.shtml ^ | November 14, 2004

Posted on 11/17/2004 10:59:58 AM PST by Howlin

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To: Howlin
TTP Intelligence Bulletin - Dr. Jack Wheeler
Friday, November 12, 2004

“The Sheriff,” as new CIA Director Porter Goss is becoming known, is getting rave reviews from the agency’s rank and file for serving notice to the Rogue Weasels that their left-wing views and attempts to sabotage the Bush Administration will receive zero tolerance. “Watch for a lot of road kill on 123 (Route 123, the highway in McLean, Virginia that goes past the CIA main entrance) as the weasels scurry away,” I’m told.

Found lying on the roadside yesterday (11/11) was weasel leader Mike Scheuer, who wrote the Bush-trashing “Imperial Hubris” book under the pseudonym “Anonymous.” While a lot of what Scheuer wrote was right on the mark, namely his withering criticism of the FBI and of senior agency guys (like Tenet) doing the CYA dance over 9/11, he twisted it all into bashing Bush and making an argument for John Kerry-type terrorism-is-a-nuisance-and-law-enforcement problem. That the CIA Review Office allowed him to write this book is a scandal never to be repeated under Sheriff Goss’s watch.

But even better news than the departure of the CIA weasels is the departure of their counterparts on the National Security Council of the White House. Bob Blackwill’s sudden resignation from the NSC, where he was Bush’s key advisor on Iraq and Iran, is a cause for real celebration.

121 posted on 11/17/2004 2:30:33 PM PST by Ides of March (Beware.)
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To: Max Combined
Is is supposed to be some great debating point that the Arabs want to destroy Israel?

No, that's not his point. His point is that bin Laden wants to destroy the US for specific reasons. One is our support for Israel. One is our having troops stationed on the Saudia Arabian peninsula. One is Iraq. One is our support for autocratic dictators in the Middle East.

These seem pretty obvious to me, but then I've actually read bin Laden's speeches. But still when I read people talking about bin Laden's reasons for attacking us, they talk about abstractions like "modernity", that he hates us because we are "free," stuff like that. Scheuer suggests that we take bin Laden at his word.

122 posted on 11/17/2004 2:38:13 PM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: Ides of March; Mo1; Diddle E. Squat; MJY1288
Oh, neat!!!

Thanks for posting that.

That the CIA Review Office allowed him to write this book is a scandal never to be repeated under Sheriff Goss’s watch.

I wonder who THIS guy is????

One report I read said that he left after the "higher ups" wouldn't let him go on TV with his book.

123 posted on 11/17/2004 2:43:06 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

Scheuer is not credible. He is also an example of how messed up the CIA is and has been since the Clinton administration neutered the agency. Scheuer is an idiot that thinks he knows all that there is to know about Bin Laden and muslim terror and the middle east and Iraq and it is clear from his own mouth he knows very little and is an irrelevant little man who would like the old media to believe he speaks with the authority of the CIA and all that the conjures up. Nothing to see here folks, move along.


124 posted on 11/17/2004 2:51:56 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: CobaltBlue; Howlin

"One is our support for Israel. One is our having troops stationed on the Saudi Arabian peninsula. One is Iraq. One is our support for autocratic dictators in the Middle East."

All these reasons just boil down to our standing in the way of fundamentalist Islam from taking over first the middle-east and ultimately the world, as commanded by the Koran. That is bin Laden's plan for the world.

So ultimately, it is our being modern, free, and non-Muslim that causes him to hate us. The rest is all eyewash.

If you have really followed bin Laden's speeches and justifications for terrorism, you must know that he has not been consistent in his complaints, he has been all over the map in his claims about what he wants, including the demand that we turn over Spain or Andalusia, as he calls it. Do you think that we should return Andalusia to the Moors in order to appease this monster?

I don't care what Osama wants or does not want. He attacked this country by killing three thousand innocent people in a sneak attack. He must die and his movement must be crushed. We did not dither around with the Japanese about whether or not they had a point about their right to develop an Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. We killed those responsible and we reworked Japanese society to make sure it did not happen again. We must do the same in Iraq and the Middle East. We cannot reward terrorism or we will get much more of it.

Scheuer is a gutless appeaser and giving his view even a second's worth of consideration will only weaken our resolve to get done the tough job that has to be done to win this war.


125 posted on 11/17/2004 2:57:27 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Hoplite
"regardless of the merit of his actual case."

So, in your opinion, what are the merits of his case, in a nutshell?
126 posted on 11/17/2004 3:02:43 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Fedora

"So if Scheuer is against Bush and against Israel, who is he working for?"

Well, he was working for the CIA.

He was working for the same folks as Aldridge Aims.


127 posted on 11/17/2004 3:04:52 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Hoplite

"results being that Osama, if he was there, and a large portion of Al Qaeda operatives at Tora Bora escaped through a cordon manned by our Afghan auxiliaries."

And we could have got 250,000 American troops into those mountains in a couple of days and had them strategically located so as to block every little goat trail out of Tora Bora, exactly how? We used the best option available to us at the time. As you may have noticed, we managed to overthrow the Taliban in a very short time with a minimum of American casualties using the tactics we used.

It is easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. Scheuer's job was to get bin Laden and he didn't do it. He has no standing to critique others, given his track record.


128 posted on 11/17/2004 3:15:17 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Hoplite

"CIA had knowledge that we could trust our Afghan allies only as far as we could throw them,"

This is not some top-secret information that the CIA had; this is common knowledge about the Afghan tribes and has been known in the West since at least the Afghan Wars with the British.

It is not as if there were a bunch of different options we had up in Tora Bora. There was no way that we would have been able to get thousands of US troops up into those mountains in short order in position to block any escape of small groups of militants moving by night on small trails.


129 posted on 11/17/2004 3:23:31 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Hoplite
"getting defamed for his efforts when he makes it public that we haven't been utilizing our own intelligence product"

It was the CIA Director who said it was a slam dunk that their would be WMD found in Iraq.
130 posted on 11/17/2004 3:25:03 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: killjoy
"He said we need to stop giving them a blank cheque, which is true."

No, it is not true. We have not given Israel a blank check (we Americans spell it check, not cheque). Over the last 30 years, there have been many policy disagreements with Israel. One mistake we made was to pressure Israel to stop pounding the PLO when Israel had them trapped in Beirut. It doesn't matter whether we give Israel a blank check or two bits, the only thing the Arabs want is for Israel to be eliminated and nothing is going to satisfy the Arabs until that happens. If the Arabs sense any weakness in our resolve to back Israel, they will simply redouble their terror in order to force their designs on Israel and us. Screw the Arabs and the Muslims. Let them worry about making us their enemy instead of the other way around. I am prepared to continue killing Muslims and Arabs until they beg for mercy and sue for peace.
131 posted on 11/17/2004 3:32:28 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: killjoy
"Until there is peace in Israel/Palestine, this is going to get worse."

Then the Palestinians better get busy making peace with Israel, because the Palestinians are in a position of weakness and the Israelis are in a position of strength.

"The US must come down very hard on Israel"

BS and to he** with Tony Blair, Europe, bin Laden, Scheuer, and anyone else who thinks that the solution to the problems in the Middle East are that the US has not come down hard enough on Israel. Clinton already went down that road and we all saw the results.
132 posted on 11/17/2004 3:38:15 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Howlin

This guy is just selling a book. We need to clean out the CIA and other government agencies of those left over when Bush came to office. They are doing us a disservice.


133 posted on 11/17/2004 3:40:30 PM PST by TheLion
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To: killjoy
"I have a number of Muslim friends and their only problem with the US is the blanket support we give for Israel."

And do they think that flying airplanes into buildings is an appropriate response to their problem with the US?

Between Israel and the murdering scum Muslims terrorists, we will always support Israel.
134 posted on 11/17/2004 3:41:33 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Max Combined
"The US must come down very hard on Israel"

Nice use of selective quoting. What I said was, "The US must come down very hard on Israel and the Palestinians to create a workable peace" and I stand by that statement.

135 posted on 11/17/2004 3:43:49 PM PST by killjoy (I'm John Kerry and I'm relieved of duty.)
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To: Mat_Helm
"it is clear from his own mouth he knows very little and is an irrelevant little man"

Well said. That is the impression I get from reading his interviews as well.
136 posted on 11/17/2004 3:45:25 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Max Combined
And do they think that flying airplanes into buildings is an appropriate response to their problem with the US?

Of course they do not. Your assumption that all Muslims support these actions is part of the problem.

137 posted on 11/17/2004 3:45:40 PM PST by killjoy (I'm John Kerry and I'm relieved of duty.)
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To: TheLion
This guy is just selling a book. We need to clean out the CIA and other government agencies of those left over when Bush came to office. They are doing us a disservice.

Sure, just staff them all with yes-men.

138 posted on 11/17/2004 3:47:01 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
"Sure, just staff them all with yes-men.

No....just a few good Republicans.

139 posted on 11/17/2004 3:50:50 PM PST by TheLion
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To: killjoy

We have leverage with Israel, what leverage do we have with the Palestinians?

How exactly, would you come down very hard on them? Bomb them? Shoot them? Talk to them in an angry voice while wagging your finger in their face?

Get real.

What would you do to the Palestinians that we have not done over the last thirty years, during which time they have refused to make peace with Israel, even though Clinton and Barak offered them a state on a silver plate?


140 posted on 11/17/2004 3:55:07 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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