Posted on 11/17/2004 7:39:54 AM PST by datura
It's US Navy. With all the turmoil in PLO - we want to get every bit of info that is possible and be on the ready for action if deemed necessary. Oh yeah. The PLO Navy is a bit small. But we can take 'em with our messcooks.
The Knesset has Anti-American socialists too. They're just out of power at the moment, so like our Dems, they are acting kooky.
Just calm down a bit, eh? :P
The USS Narwhal, and a few raven conversions of the old Sturgeon class attack boats did electronic eavesdropping on the Soviet union.
They had to maneuver at periscope depth while exposing what basically looked like a fiberglass covered CB antenna to catch signals.
Not fun I hear, but that's the basics on how it is done.
Airborne assets can be detected out further than a whip aerial can be detected, and any electronic chatter can be diverted or cessated before any useful intel can be garnered.
(This is stuff some poor patient Navy type explained to me once. Or at least TRIED to explain.)
And more on the conspiracy theory side, I wouldn't be suprised if a planned cooperative "war game" practice is reported to the public as a mysterious intruder. I especially like how they reported a quick response time.
NATO is not USA.
Why would you do that? Must be your post above.
Hmm,the Aussie boats(Collins class) you are referring to are infact Swedish designed subs which were built under license in Australia.There are numerous boats which are as quiet if not more quiet than those subs including the ultra modern German Type-212/214 class,the French Scorpene(both of which use Air independent propulsion) & even the Russian Kilos.
PS-it is a known fact the D/E boats are more quieter than nuclear boats when submerged-albeit for the smaller periods that their batteries can run.That will change as more and more nations adopt AIP systems -for eg,the German Type-212 can stay under for well over 20 days at a stretch.
Ah yes, the PLO Navy, several small gunboats and a few foreign flagged freighters travelling in circles from port to port in thinly veiled attempts to sneak weapons in to the Palis.
*sigh*
I'd forgotten about those clowns.
Wonder why we didn't send a Seawolf over to check into it, it's quieter than the first few of the Ohio Class SSBN's the rumor goes.
D'oh!
didn't should read as wouldn't.
"The speed and signature of the submarine were that of an advanced NATO navy vessel,"
A bit of background - our electrical systems are 60 hz, EU's 50hz......if they got a signature it is easy to distiguish who' who's....What I suspect from the articles I've read is that the Israeli's more than likely picked up a mast from land based radar.....it probably was not a periscope (most western navy's dip the scope at frequent intervals to avoid detection) but either an ELINT or RDF mast that they kept up too long - they are wide/tall enough to be picked up...(scopes are small/thin enough which makes them hard pickup due to sea clutter) who ever did it they were either inept in tactics or inexperienced....
You need to learn how to read diplo-speak. Also, search the article for the word "submerged" to note that the sub was at one point on the surface in "hostile" waters, then *think* about who has subs that need to be on the surface rather than always submerged.
PLO Navy? No doubt they would be French trained - mostly frogmen. Aircraft carriers for them would be a Zodiac carrying a remote controlled plane, and any other surface ship would eventually become a submarine - on its' way to the bottom. I guess a Boston Whaler with a 12.7mm MG would qualify as a frigate or destroyer as well.
Canada?
"It could very well be that this submarine was American or French, Russian or Italian, who are regular visitors in the Mediterranean sea...If we had attacked the submarine, dozens of American or French sailors would have died unnecessarily. We chose not to destroy the submarine, but rather to chase it away." is hardly an assault on the US. We routinely spy on Israel, satellite surveilance, communication intercepts. I'm not aware of anyone who contends we don't. I can't imagine what we'd be looking for with a sub that we can't find out through other means, but if it turns out to be an American sub, I've no doubt we'll apologize, Israel will accept it, and we'll have another "Israel" story floating around the internet for the next decade.
"Within minutes, the Israel Navy detected the foreign submarine and began tracking the vessel, the sources said. "
This is almost funny - they are saying they know how long the sub was there BEFORE they detected it ...
Sure they can. From satellite you can detect the displacement of the ocean as the sub passes or use a blue laser. I don't think anyone has that tech but us though.
Not Russian! If it were, I would have heard it from my front porch here in California!!!
"Execute the B-57 Checklist!"
Must have been French because it ran away almost immediatly.
lol, very observant of you.
Besides, why would we want optical recon from the sea when we have satalite coverage much more detailed than what can be seen from a periscope.
Number one: We have all the advanced intel we need from the air (you cannot imagine).
Number two: We have no need to risk losing a multi-billion dollar submarine and lives for intel we can get from other sources.
I smell the French.
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