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SAS ace defends trooper (“Every soldier has a right to defend himself")
thesun.co.uk ^ | 11/17/04 | MARTIN PHILLIPS

Posted on 11/17/2004 3:54:24 AM PST by notkerry

A WOUNDED US soldier seen on TV shooting dead an Iraqi prisoner was defended last night by SAS hero Andy McNab.

The US marine — shot in the cheek earlier — machine-gunned the man in the head as he lay bleeding in a mosque in Fallujah.

The soldier feared the Iraqi was pretending to be dead to draw him into a trap.

Just before the killing, a fellow GI yells: “He’s f***ing faking he’s dead!”

Walking away ... victim is obscured by fellow captive after burst of gunfire

The marine faces a murder probe.

But McNab — who has stared death in the face — said: “It’s easy for people sitting comfortably in their armchairs in front of the TV to take the moral high ground.

“They are not there in Fallujah, in that killing environment.

“We don’t know what is going through that marine’s head. The Iraqi could have been hiding a weapon or explosives.

Grisly ... the shot prisoner - on the left - lies dead in Fallujah mosque

“Troops are fighting an enemy that doesn’t stick to any rules.

“The insurgents use mosques to launch attacks. They come out under cover of a white flag, then attack the Americans. They plant booby-trap bombs on dead bodies.

“Every soldier has a right to defend himself, and if that is a grey area — then so be it.”


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americanhero; defendingothers; fallujahmarine; mediatrash; queerchrissy; sas; slanderngprivateryan; terrorist
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To: raybbr

You're using common sense. That is intensely disliked around here.

Myself, I don't understand why they're so hopped up about it. If the marine did nothing wrong as they say (and that's possible since the investigation isn't done yet) then why are they so mad that the reporter filmed it?

Of course the administration's idea in embedding reporters is the hope to co-opt them. In real life that's just not going to work because in a war zone things tend to happen too fast.


101 posted on 11/17/2004 12:29:20 PM PST by alpowolf
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To: notkerry

President Bush and our generals need to come out and tell the whiners to shut the he!! up. If these terrorists don't want to be shot under these conditions, then they need to obey the rules of war. It is that simple.


102 posted on 11/17/2004 12:41:18 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: Mi-kha-el
You are so right. The MSM have already done so much damage, not enough soap in the entire world to wash off their sins. And they show no intent to stop.

Yes, take tomorrow, November 18, 2004, for instance. On November 18, 2004, the MSM will fawn and get weak-kneed over the dedication of presidential library for a man whose administration murdered 80-some American citizens. They worship this man so much that they will endlessly jabber about his greatness and the astounding reservoir of love that the public has for him. They'll stop during the festivities to point out his former attorney general, the person who directly ordered the murder of those 80-some American citizens, characterizing her as a model of integrity. Then they will resume their worship at the altar of Clinton.

And amidst their revelry, they'll once again impugn and indict a man for bravely fighting against evil to defend himself and us.

They are a disgusting, sorry lot.

103 posted on 11/17/2004 1:32:42 PM PST by Dahoser (!Hillary)
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To: hawkiye
This really burns me up, along with idiots like you who have never seen a day of combat, go back to DU scum

I would have liked to get into an intelligent discussion with you about this but apparently you not capable.

104 posted on 11/17/2004 1:39:17 PM PST by raybbr
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To: ohioWfan

Okay, you are right about his turning over the authorities. However, the Bush admin. did let these guys out there. I am not blaming Bush for the actions of the marine. If Sites wasn't there this would never have become an issue.


105 posted on 11/17/2004 1:41:07 PM PST by raybbr
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To: ohioman
You are quite the F'in idiot to blame the President for this incident. Are things slow at DU?

Another rabid Ohioan who is incapable of having a discussion about this issue.

106 posted on 11/17/2004 1:41:52 PM PST by raybbr
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To: notkerry
My daughter is waiting to be old enough for PLC program (LOL, a 17 year old 2LT?). She called me from her college to say, "We should shoot the photographers first, then the rest of the terrorists"

We brought her up right!

107 posted on 11/17/2004 2:22:39 PM PST by womanvet
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To: Chemist_Geek

I dont know what kind of Chemist you are but indeed you are a geek


108 posted on 11/17/2004 2:55:42 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: DBeers

"Thats a good concept -but IMHO the phrase not catchy enough..."

Webster's latest addition?
" To Pull a Kerry "-


109 posted on 11/17/2004 3:05:42 PM PST by TET1968
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To: TET1968
-that's good.

How about a "Special K" -I heard that during the campaign...

110 posted on 11/17/2004 3:23:51 PM PST by DBeers
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To: Kenton

I've not been able to follow this story closely. Do you have a couple, or at least one good story that details the fact that the two prone men were not yet prisoners? I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks.


111 posted on 11/17/2004 4:51:41 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Route101

All of this would be moot if Bush said that he would grant a pardon of any prosecution against the soldier.


112 posted on 11/17/2004 5:22:33 PM PST by We Happy Few ("we band of brothers; for he to-day that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother;")
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To: Savage Beast

I think you can count on that from here on out.


113 posted on 11/17/2004 5:38:41 PM PST by We Happy Few ("we band of brothers; for he to-day that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother;")
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To: We Happy Few

http://www.petitiononline.com/as123/petition.html


114 posted on 11/17/2004 5:40:39 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: raybbr
The imbeds have also done a lot of good, when they have been responsible people.

It's fine to disagree with the whole situation of having reporters there. But by blaming the Bush administration for this renegade, you have confused two separate issues, and your conclusion is therefore, illogical..........(no matter how much mr. dogfood pats you on the back for it :o)

It was the reporter who did the wrong thing. Place the blame where it belongs.

115 posted on 11/17/2004 7:25:54 PM PST by ohioWfan (W.........STILL the President!!)
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To: We Happy Few

What was the significance of the Battle of Agincourt, and what is it's meaning for us today?


116 posted on 11/17/2004 7:29:19 PM PST by Savage Beast (PEST-sufferers, North Korea awaits you!)
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To: ohioWfan

Would it help to remember that the reporter filming the incident is a freelance reporter? Aren't they paid only for published news items? His incentive is to get it published. He sold non-exclusive rights to the Arabs and NBC, IMHO.


117 posted on 11/17/2004 8:00:02 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: JudyinCanada

"I can just imagine the outcry if the "dead" terrorist was left there only to attack and kill some marines an hour later.

Then the same marine would be in trouble for not doing his job by making sure the enemy was dead."

Bingo.

You are correct.

If this marine had not done what he did, others and maybe he also would be dead or injured. That would be an issue. This act that is being promoted as a wrong is actually normal warfare.

The MSM is, again, trying to make an issue where there is no issue.

What bothers me about this is that so many people do not understand the way that wars are fought. There are always 2 sides and both sides try to kill each other. Some are more ruthless than others. We have repeatedly seen the ruthlessness of the other side, yet we are given the impression that that is no big deal and that what we are doing is.


118 posted on 11/17/2004 8:26:58 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: notkerry
machine-gunned the man in the head

I only heard a single shot, not a burst. An M16 is not a machine gun, it's an assault rifle.

119 posted on 11/17/2004 8:32:01 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: notkerry; snopercod
 

These are hidden camera photos, taken by Kevin Sites; his "hideaway gun."

Photos allegedly by Reuters, in the Sun Online, recent article by Martin Phillips, "SAS Ace Defends Trooper."

 

Taking aim ... marine fixes his sights on one of two prisoners lying side by side:

Walking away ... victim is obscured by fellow captive after burst of gunfire:

Grisly ... the shot prisoner - on the left - lies dead in Fallujah mosque:

 

120 posted on 11/18/2004 5:26:43 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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