Posted on 11/15/2004 11:19:28 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
*In case it's hard to read, on the Pre-Civil War Map, the red areas were slave states and the brown areas were territories open to slavery, while the green areas were free states and territories.
*These distinctions eerily correspond to the red states vs. blue states on the 2004 Election Map ~~ i.e., the blue (Kerry) states correspond to the pre-civil-war free states and territories, while the red (Bush) states correspond to what were the slave states and territories.
*To me, the images (and subsequent comments) simply point out that we as a country cannot, or refuse to, face difficult racial issues.
*I think the mentality which allowed certain parts of the country at a certain time in our history to accept the violent subjugation of an entire human race ...
*By using the headline "Free States vs. Slave States", an immediate deception is perpetrated that continues to deceive right through all following commentary. These were philisophical differences in forms of government and policy, not whether or not black people should be free.
*It is so hard for me to understand the wailing coming from the Dems on the slave map issue.
*Blue states versus Red States means nothing!
*1. The republican party (and the dems too) are very much different in character and ideal than they were 140 or so years ago.
*2. Jon Koppenhoefer makes a sensible and compelling argument but I want to focus on the slave/free map.
*The last major battle of the American civil war may well have been over LBJ's great society; we've been fighting continuously for 140 years.
*It would give more seats to California, Florida, Texas, North Carolina and other large and growing states, without taking away the one (minimum) Representative for Wyoming's 400,000 citizens.
Ironic isn't that the secession states are now the most patriotic and fly the Stars and Stripes the most
Kansas also was a FREE state. We had quite a border war going on with Missouri and my city, Lawrence, was burned to the ground by William Quantrill and raiders from Missouri.
Me thinks someone needs to check a history book.
That has to be one of the most stupid Op-Ed's I have ever read.
My state was called "Bloody Kansas" because it wouldn't go along with the slaves states. The Missouri Border Ruffians took offense to Kansas' opposition to slavery and much bloodshed followed. Kansas was anti-slavery and is positively a red state.
Map of the division of the states during the Civil War. Blue represents Union states, red represents Confederate states, green represents unaffiliated states and yellow represents states that did not exist until after the War.
the correlation is "eerie" only if you have a demented mind. one look at the maps leaves ND, SD, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio and Maryland as exceptions to this "rule". not much of a correlation unless you also just want to believe WHAT? Fill in the Blank? Ok, i believe that this is nothing more than HS. (that's Horsesh*t)
New Hampshire and Wisconsin were Alllllmost slave states, but not quite.
Whatta bunch of garbage. Who thinks of this dreck?
I know I'm the umpteenth person to point this out, but as long as we're bringing up ancient history, it's worth remembering that in the days of slavery and right up through Jim Crow, those states were run exclusively by Democrats.
Sorry about the grammar.
""""Liberals have controlled education for at least the last forty years. This is what you get, institutionalized ignorance.""""
AMEN.
Oh, now...what does premise and logic have to do with democratic press releases?.....
>"Red states" that supported President Bush also supported slavery"
>>Ahhhh that was WAY before my time.
Eheh, not only that... but the states were, God forbid, Democrat.
After "the war" the south was forced to start accepting blacks as equals (note I said start) whereas the north did not have to change at all. Blacks migrated north is search of the jobs that the union industry provided. Fast forward to today with the loss of labor-intensive heavy industry in the NE, is it possible that the black populations in the "blue" states are kept in their place on the govt welfare plantation?
This article is an insult to several states. The famouos Union Iron Brigade included regiments from Indiana who served under General Reynolds and fought gallantly at Antietum and Gettysburg. Indiana volunteers also fought in the Western theater throughout the war. Hoosiers paid their share of blood to free the slaves, and we are not ashamed to share the distinction with our southern brothers and sisters to be a solid red state today supporting President Bush.
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