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To: ancient_geezer
NRST is set currently @ 23%, established against Clinton administration tax base.
And IT WAS TOO LOW!! 23% would be too low with current receipts!



NIPA: GDP & Federal Receipts & Expenditures
You obviously have no understanding of the theory Laffer was illustrating with his curve, otherwise you wouldn't have only shown data from after the tax cuts.


2000
2000
2000
2000
2001
2001
2001
2001
2002
2002
2002
2002
2003
2003
2003
2003
2004
2004
I
II
III
IV
I
II
III
IV
I
II
III
IV
I
II
III
IV
I
II
GDP
9,629
9,823
9,862
9,954
10,022
10,129
10,135
10,226
10,338
10,446
10,547
10,618
10,745
10,884
11,117
11,271
11,473
11,658
Tax Receipts
1,302
1,309
1,323
1,320
1,323
1,316
1,132
1,238
1,070
1,074
1,067
1,065
1,090
1,094
999
1,075
1,074
1,097
SS/Medicare
685
686
697
699
716
718
718
718
731
735
734
735
748
754
762
770
788
796




Increasing government revenues has never caused cuts in spending.
Maybe you can show me an example of when reducing revenues has cut spending.



Two words: CUT SPENDING
That didn't answer the question. Don't you think deficits and the debt have negative effects on our economy?
363 posted on 11/19/2004 8:21:42 AM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare

23% would be too low with current receipts!

A federal tax rate of 23% of the consumption base(NNP) is way too high, period.

23% is high on the laffer curve, and consequently knocks GDP growth to a standstill.

The primary track to 23% began with the '97 Clinton Tax increases (refer red zone). Once federal tax level reached 23% of nominal consumption base( NNP) Economic growth declined precipitously into recession mode.

That is pure highside Laffer and a clear case of what happens when excess federal taxation burdens down an economy.

The Bush revenue cuts 2001-2003 with stimulative deficit spending are now just now in the process of reversing that GDP growth decline induced by the tax burdens from the Clinton 2nd Term tax law changes.

 

Year Federal
Tax Rate
%NNP
GDP
Growth
Federal
Surplus
%GDP
GDP
Tax
Revenue
Federal
Expenditure
Federal
Surplus
1986 19.7 5.75% -5.14% 4,462.8 777.1 1,051.8 -229.6
1987* 20.7 7.41% -3.94% 4,739.5 859.9 1,090.8 -186.9
1988 20.3 7.69% -3.27% 5,103.8 919.8 1,132.8 -166.9
1989* 20.5 7.46% -2.92% 5,484.4 1,021.8 1,206.4 -160.1
1990* 20.2 5.81% -3.59% 5,803.1 1,042.9 1,301.5 -208.3
1991 20.2 5.70% -4.09% 5,995.9 1,054.7 1,357.6 -245.3
1992 19.6 5.04% -5.09% 6,337.7 1,102.2 1,481.3 -322.9
1993*  19.9 4.80% -4.37% 6,657.4 1,177.0 1,526.1 -290.7
1994 20.4 5.94% -3.13% 7,072.2 1,275.6 1,557.4 -221.4
1995 20.8 4.60% -2.69% 7,397.7 1,364.3 1,620.7 -199.2
1996 21.3 5.66% -1.89% 7,816.9 1,475.3 1,689.3 -147.8
1997* 21.8 6.23% -0.57% 8,304.3 1,607.0 1,721.1 -47.4
1998 22.4 5.33% 0.55% 8,747.0 1,730.6 1,751.1 47.8
1999 22.5 5.96% 1.09% 9,268.4 1,847.3 1,818.7 101.3
 2000 23.1 5.91% 1.93% 9,817.0 2005.3 1,892.6 189.4
2001* 22.2 3.17% 0.41% 10,128.0 1969.7 2,002.4 41.8
2002*  19.7 3.54% -2.64% 10,487.0 1802.8 2,149.4 -276.8
2003* 18.5 4.92% -3.70% 11,004.0 1822.5 2,306.6 -407.6

 

You obviously have no understanding of the theory Laffer was illustrating with his curve, otherwise you wouldn't have only shown data from after the tax cuts.

Obviously you have no understanding of cause, effect and momentum, as in cause then effect afterwards.
Check in again in a couple of years after Bush tax cuts are made permanent at 18% NNP and GDP growth stabalizes at its new equilibrium levels for the answer as to where we are on the laffer curve.

 

Two words: CUT SPENDING

That didn't answer the question.

It answers it perfectly.

Don't you think deficits and the debt have negative effects on our economy?

The numbers are above.

Cut Spending, any deficit and debt issues are resolved.

Unless spending is addressed directly and head on by repealing programs, then spending and govenment will continue grow as long as there are perpetual expectations of ever more revenue to come.

364 posted on 11/19/2004 3:27:50 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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