Posted on 11/14/2004 11:08:06 PM PST by goldstategop
"Big deal, so am I and support legal immigration in moderation. "
as long as it's moderation according to the Law of Reaganwuzthebest ?
but you interest me.... just why do you support legal immigration at all ?
Your arguments all seem to be against it.
"Someone is doing the work, who could it be Luis, ..."
Ever hear the term migrant workers ? They have no need to hang around and freeze their butts off with no work - a lot of them probably go home for the winter. What do you think the people who do the work do in the off season - starve ?
Kind of like an illegal "guest worker" program...
No I'll let you tell me what it's to be, how about the law of RS?
In the 1980s we took in 500,000 a year and the economy did just fine. I'd be more than happy to follow the recommendations of the Jordan Commission, which suggested going back down to those numbers.
Anyone with even a brain the size of an ant can see what we're taking in now is far more than what most communities can absorb.
There's nothing more permanent than a guest worker. That was proven in the 1950s when Eisenhower had to show millions of "guest workers" the door.
Burger King, McDonalds, Jack in the Box, Dominos - they all advertise in Spanish in the US. They didn't 10 years ago. They're marketing to capture illegal alien demand.
"I'd be more than happy to follow the recommendations of the Jordan Commission, which suggested going back down to those numbers."
but why ? Your agruments suggest that we would be better off with ZERO immigration - don't you really believe in what you are saying ?
from - http://www.imminfo.com/iv.html
"Immigration into the United States is limited to 675,000 persons per year. "
You are saying that dropping legal immigration by 175,000 will cure all the ills ?
"That was proven in the 1950s ...."
How many other things were "proven" in the past that are not true ? C'mon, you seem to be more intelligent then that ...
( everybody sing ! Monday, Tuesday, Happy Days !... )
That was never said by me and is fully understood that to a certain degree immigration, or population growth helps to expand the economy and keep inflation in check.
The question is how much are we going to take in to both assist the economy while factoring in the burdens on communies? Present levels are way too high but more importantly it needs to be legal only.
Bush's guest worker plan would literally open the doors and flood this country with guest workers who'll never leave, no thanks.
You must have never heard of Operation Wetback then I take it? Many of those illegals were "guest workers" brought in by the Roosevelt administration during WW2 who refused to leave.
You bet, and that's the economic equation that Luis and others refuse to recognize. They've convinced themselves all these illegals are coming in only to service lazy Americans and do the jobs "no one wants to do".
"Oh, I know there's some voices who want to wall us off from Mexico"...."...it's so important for us to tear down barriers and walls that might separate Mexico from the U.S." -- George W. Bush before Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, Albuquerque, NM, 8/15/01
Challenge accepted! (I voted for him)
"Many of those illegals were "guest workers" brought in by the Roosevelt administration during WW2 who refused to leave."
...and that proves what in this day and age, when we have much more control over legal workers ?
Would they try and stay illegally if we ever decide to kick them out again ? ... Obviously, but will will have much more of a paperwork trail, and we might even have a hold over them by making the law so that we can legally withhold SS payments if they don't leave when their time is up.
".... and is fully understood that to a certain degree immigration, or population growth helps to expand the economy and keep inflation in check. "
So 500,000 good 675,000 bad - I didn't realize our economy was on such a knife edge - what do you think will happen to our economy when we toss out 10 million at one time ?
When thousands of Americans lose their businesses ... hotels, motels, and restaurants ? Unless you think those businesses are all owned by the illegals ...
The best mechanism for maintaining immigration is through the legal system as we currently have in place, which means no illegal immigration, no guest workers, and full enforcement against visa overstayers and sham asylum cases.
Explain by what means that would be accomplished and who is seriously proposing the implementation of those means, and you might get an answer.
Think again, due to chain migration and the Immigration Act of 1990 legal immigration is over 1 million a year. And that doesn't include illegal immigration.
500,000 is not an arbitrary number dreamed up out of thin air. The Jordan Commission did a detailed study on what levels would be most beneficial and least disruptive for the country and that's what they came up with.
You appear to believe that in order for the US to survive as a nation we need to take in the world, no thanks.
Would you pick tomatoes for a living?
Like I said previously Luis, the answer is farm mechanization. You keep ignoring my responses and then pose the same questions.
The biggest opponents of increased farm mechanization are the illegal alien lobbies. They need to keep that sector of the economy manual as it provides the excuse for illegals to enter.
Once they're in the real goal is to expand the presence of illegals into every other sector, including construction etc then preach endlessly how the US economy can't survive without them.
"Think again, due to chain migration and the Immigration Act of 1990 legal immigration is over 1 million a year.from your Jorden commision -"
http://www.fairus.org/ImmigrationIssueCenters/ImmigrationIssueCenters.cfm?ID=1169&c=12
"The CIR recommended capping all three categories and implementing an overall annual cap of 550,000.
Prioritize immediate family members over extended family: The CIR recommended limiting family-sponsored immigration to only the spouse and minor children of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents and the parents of U.S. citizens-with a ceiling of 400,000 per year. "
about 950,000 - not too far from your million current number considering the commissions study was between 7 and 10 years ago.
"... And that doesn't include illegal immigration. "
Are you proposing to somehow include illegal migration in your caps ?
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