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I think Robert E. Lee is one of the most underrated generals in history. He certainly had a lot more honor than most of the Union generals (e.g., he specifically forbade any confederate forces from looting or pillaging and made sure civilians were spared harm). Lee was largely responsible for the confederacy winning most of the battles. That is not meant to take anything away from Grant, whom I also think was quite competent.

MacArthur was certainly someone I'd like to have on my team. Eisenhower wasn't too bad, either. Patton seemed to be a charge-the-objective, punch-a-hole-through-'em-where-it-hurts kind of guy, which I admire. We Americans love to fight, remember.

For sheer instinctive strategery, Spartacus sure managed to do a lot with a little. So he has to be ranked very high in my book. if you count him as a general.


280 posted on 11/14/2004 6:49:49 PM PST by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: Hank All-American
For sheer instinctive strategery, Spartacus sure managed to do a lot with a little. So he has to be ranked very high in my book. if you count him as a general.

I was wondering when somebody was going to mention him. If the Salician pirates hadn't jobbed him and if he hadn't listened to the Gauls and Germans in his midst (the French and Germans, get it?) who wanted to stick around and plunder instead of escape across the Alps, he would have escaped from Italy and lived like a satrap for the rest of his life. A mere slave bloodying the nose of the best that Rome could throw at him.

294 posted on 11/14/2004 7:00:14 PM PST by asgardshill (November 2004 - The Month That Just Kept On Giving)
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To: Hank All-American

I was thinking Spartacus, too.


296 posted on 11/14/2004 7:01:25 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Hank All-American
Y'all just knew this would turn into a Lee v. Grant p*ssing match.

I happen to think they were both great generals.

I don't agree with Lee detractors like Connally. His defensive war during the Overland Campaign of May-July 1864 was nothing short of brilliant: anticipating Grant's every move, always matching him in the nick of time, despite the depletion of his officer corps, generally erratic corps commanders, inferior numbers, and a weakening cavalry arm and terrible logistic support from Richmond. Lee had a couple of bad days at Gettysburg, some very bad luck before Antietam and tended at times to place too much trust in questionable senior commanders. But on the whole, his record at the head of the ANV is magnificent. Not overrated.

The knock against Grant...we all know. Superior numbers and logistics, attrition, yadda yaddda yadda. To which I respond: His Vicksburg campaign is considered by many experts to be the most brilliant single offensive campaign of the entire war - yet it's largely forgotten because it wasn't in Virginia. Let us not forget that before Lincoln called Grant East, he had managed the surrender of two entire Confederate field armies and had chased a third clean over the horizon. Grant's effectiveness in Virginia was hampered by being saddled with some incompetent (Butler, Burnside, Ledlie) and lacadaisacal (Smith, Warren) commanders that he didn't have to put up with out West. Opportunities to destroy Lee were repeatedly cast away by bungling by various commanders in 1864. Only Cold Harbor stands out for criticism, both for the assault and also Grant's refusal to ask for a truce to retrieve his wounded.

I'd round out my Civil War Top Five with Jackson, Forrest, and maybe a tossup between Gordon, Sheridan, Longstreet, Jo Shelby and Richard Taylor for the last spot.

Beyond that I'd like to single out Subedei, chief general of Batu Khan during his invasion of Russia and Europe in the 1240's, as one too often overlooked. His campaign essentially conquered a third of Eurasia in just a few years time.

321 posted on 11/14/2004 7:18:06 PM PST by The Iguana
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To: Hank All-American

Robert E. Lee underrated? Does he not have enough monuments public properties named after him on your planet?


362 posted on 11/14/2004 7:57:38 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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