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To: Spiff

ACtually it's not.

I can only conclude that you agree with murdering abortionists and blowing up clinics--and how do I come to this conclusion? Easy. You actually say gulags and extermination camps are not as bad a thing as abortion(patently silly, but let's go with it) and I know that any of us would feel empowered to stop an extermination camp where Jews or anyone else was being liquidated and we'd kill the death camp guards and whoever was doing the killing, right?

So you approve of killing abortionists, you'd HAVE TO.

BTW, only a dunce would ever assert that most women who got abortions would kill a live baby(and most wouldn't abort a late-term) Yet you refuse to see that people perceive a difference between the unborn and born, whether you are moral in your approach it is a far different issue than Death camps, and you KNOW THAT.

Stop making pretend it's anything like gulags, because it isn't. If it were, people would at least FEEL that way about it(even if they felt powerless to act), but they don't.


74 posted on 11/13/2004 7:31:41 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Skywalk

"Yet you refuse to see that people perceive a difference between the unborn and born,"

No, we recognize that a BIG LIE has been perpetuated. We see the apologists for infanticide every day, even here on FR.

"Stop making pretend it's anything like gulags, because it isn't."

It is to Orthodox Catholics and many other people of faith. That YOU buy the Big Lie doesn't mean we ALL buy it.

"If it were, people would at least FEEL that way about it(even if they felt powerless to act),..."

Go to DC in January for the March For Life -- you'll see almost one million people Marching in PROTEST over the judicial imposition of this holocaust on America. 45,000,000 Catholics are bound together by our Faith, in that Faith we KNOW abortion is evil murder. Nominate Rudy Guliani for President and watch us vote for the third party candidacy of a Pat Buchanan or an Alan Keyes. Go ahead, but do NOT blame us for the return of the left to the WH, don't expect us to carry your water ever again if you betray us on this most critical issue.


96 posted on 11/13/2004 7:45:11 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Skywalk
I can only conclude that you agree with murdering abortionists and blowing up clinics--and how do I come to this conclusion? Easy. You actually say gulags and extermination camps are not as bad a thing as abortion(patently silly, but let's go with it) and I know that any of us would feel empowered to stop an extermination camp where Jews or anyone else was being liquidated and we'd kill the death camp guards and whoever was doing the killing, right? So you approve of killing abortionists, you'd HAVE TO.

I work within the law, of course. I believe that abortionists - those who murder innocent children - should be prosecuted and sentenced within the law.

BTW, only a dunce would ever assert that most women who got abortions would kill a live baby(and most wouldn't abort a late-term) Yet you refuse to see that people perceive a difference between the unborn and born, whether you are moral in your approach it is a far different issue than Death camps, and you KNOW THAT.

Those who ran the death camps didn't FEEL that they were killing human beings, just Jews. They PERCEIVED a difference between Jew and non-Jew. They denied the humanity of the Jew, just as you deny the humanity (against all evidence) of the unborn child. They killed the Jews without guilt just as you allow the slaughter of children without guilt. The evil is not abated just because of how people "feel" or "perceive" the evil.

Stop making pretend it's anything like gulags, because it isn't. If it were, people would at least FEEL that way about it(even if they felt powerless to act), but they don't.

Stop rationalizing atrocity because of how you and others "feel" about it.

100 posted on 11/13/2004 7:45:32 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Skywalk
You want your party back from us nutjobs. Say the word and it's all yours. They are babies and they are dead and that makes me nuts. CAN'T YOU GET IT! (Yes, I am shouting!) What would you have us do? Care less? Continue to allow the sacrifice of babies to the heathen god Baal? You are continually setting up some extreme straw man argument and that is a lame form of argument.

You taunt us that we would give up these gains the party has made and embrace evil governments and even murder if we would get our way. No, we would most emphatically not. But you would sacrifice your party for Senator Arlen Specter and the continuing "right" sacrifice chidren to the gods of this modern age. Who's a nutjob?

103 posted on 11/13/2004 7:46:29 AM PST by Aloysius88 (Fundie Nutjob for Life)
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To: Skywalk; cpforlife.org; MHGinTN; Mr. Silverback; narses

You make a point, here. I'm sure that John Brown felt the same way.

I am troubled when I consider the deaths of live children each day, of those who are and will be killed by medical experiments in cloning and embry and fetal tissue research. I constantly restrain my wish for immediate force on the part of the government and those of us who stand while the innocents are being led to slaughter.

Your opinion that abortion is less evil is just that, it is an opinion. If you cannot understand that the deaths due to abortion are just as heinous as those in the gulags, then it is only because you do not consider them or you have insufficient imagination.

However, many of us have considered the evil of killing. We have considered the overall harm of waging a war against the abortion clinics and the law enforcement officers who would be called out by the government to protect those clinics and those who work in them. We have discussed civil war and its ramifications.

However, we are attempting to use the republican system by voting for Republicans who will give us relief. We prefer a peaceful resolution.

Regardless of opinion about the "personhood" of unborn vs. born children, the distinction between embryo and fetus, in vitro and in vivo, implanted and pre-implantation, these are members of the human species. The killing of them was used to justify embryonic stem cell research, cloning for research, and "physician assisted suicide' in Oregon and is being used to justify the intentional killing of the deformed and the sick in the US, Britain, and other countries where it is currently illegal. It was used to legalize euthanasia (involuntary as well as requested) in the Netherlands and Belgium. It is the justification for the euthanasia of children under 12 in these last 2 countries.



btw, here's how I spent part of election day, in front of our most Democratic precinct, where the last of the Hispanic Democratic Precinct Judges was beaten by a Black Republican:

http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/1f2965f5_m40c364ae/6bfe/__sr_/d9b7.jpg?phvMslBBO8Bx3Fha


767 posted on 11/13/2004 6:17:25 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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