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To: AndyJackson

Exactly.

Seems like some here would rather live in slavery, so long as abortion was banned.

The other thing that bothers me is that they seem all too willing to use the machinery of the State to achieve their objectives, rather than incremental and socially desired limits on abortion. But if they think they will ban abortion even up to the zygote level, they are fanatics who have no place making policy. The morning after pill is not a g-damn crime against humanity. Partial birth abortion IS, but there's no gradients with these guys.

And the threatening their alleged "allies?" Real smart and real classy.


57 posted on 11/13/2004 7:21:21 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Skywalk
The other thing that bothers me is that they seem all too willing to use the machinery of the State to achieve their objectives, rather than incremental and socially desired limits on abortion. But if they think they will ban abortion even up to the zygote level, they are fanatics who have no place making policy.

We're trying to work incrementally. The trouble is that the tragic and WRONG Roe v. Wade decision has been the biggest obstacle for decades. We must reverse that and then we can start working state by state, trimester by trimest, to roll back abortion. We can't do that while the Federal Government believes that it must protect a woman's "right" to pay someone to kill her own living child.

77 posted on 11/13/2004 7:33:35 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Skywalk
THE ABORTED STATES OF AMERICA

The map above has 17 states blacked out. It has been updated to reflect the number of children murdered by surgical abortion in this past year of 2003, about 1.4 million in the U.S., roughly half the population of Mississippi, shaded in red. When added to the 17 states in black, this equals a population of 44,000,000. It's the sickening truth America,
44 MILLION innocent babies have been dismembered by surgical abortion since Roe v Wade on January 22, 1973.

Perhaps this visual perspective helps one to grasp the number  44,000,000 that's FORTY FOUR MILLION+ PEOPLE, are gone; dead - robbed of their constitutional rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The war on Terrorism:
To try to get some additional perspective on this number, lets look at the war on terrorism. Some 3,000 people died in the horrific attacks of 9-11-01. The number of U.S. service members who have died in Iraq since the war began last March of 2003 reached 500 in the last several days. Also earlier this month we suffered the 100th fatality in the U.S. military's two-year Afghan campaign. So we as a nation have lost some 3,600 people from the attacks of 9-11-01, AND all combat on the war on terror in the last 27 months. That is less than ONE DAY of killing for the abortionists.

What if every day, for the last two years, 3,600 Americans died at the hands of terrorists? Imagine if 2,600 service men and women were brought home in boxes every day; and terrorists butchered another 1,000 civilians here at home—every day. What would that do to our nation—mentally, emotionally, and spiritually?

Unimaginable.

From an unborn person’s perspective things are worse, much worse. Every day for the last 31 years, about 4,000 Americans HAVE died at the hands of terrorists!

About one out every fourth pregnancy in America is ended by abortion.

Abortionists are the most lethal and brutal terrorists in the world. Their kill rate is over 99%, far deadlier than any of Saddam’s henchmen. The pain abortionists inflict on unborn children older than 16-20 weeks is far more excruciating than the most vicious forms of torture Uday and Qusay ever used on their poor victims.
The last 31 years of “legalized” abortion has severely damaged this nation’s sense of basic right and wrong. As the CULTure of death metastasizes, nearly every imaginable attack against the Family and of innocent life has come to pass or Abortion is a very depressing subject, one we would prefer not to think about. But avoiding the topic and wishing it would go away is as effective as on any other deadly condition.

BUT WHAT CAN I DO TO STOP IT?

CLICK THIS LINK TO A LIST OF 56 DIFFERENT THINGS TO DO. THERE IS SOMETHING ON THE LIST FOR EVERYONE.

Beyond that there is only one thing (earthly speaking) that will end this culture of death. Comprehensive education, on the sanctity of life before birth, beginning in pre-K and lasting through high school. This will have to be done in order to have a sufficient populace who votes Pro-Life. There simply is NO other way to get the needed votes.

Next year, I’ll shade in the rest of Mississippi, to represent another 1,400,000 aborted babies. And the year after that…..?

Since the beginning of the American Revolutionary War in 1775, up to spring 2002 (227 years), about 1,300,000 Americans have been killed fighting in battle to defend our country. Thirty One+ times as many American children have been killed by abortion since 1973.

How many more innocent people will have to suffer horrible painful deaths before the nation accepts the truth that with abortion, we are destroying our country and our future.

Please go to our Pro-Life Education Page to learn how you can help end this tragedy.




"America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts -- a child -- as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters. And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign."




Mother Teresa (Wall Street Journal, 2/25/94)







Missouri
5,358,692
Minnesota
4,657,758
Arizona
4,428,068
Louisiana
4,350,579
Colorado
3,822,676
Oklahoma
3,300,902
Iowa
2,851,243
Kansas
2,572,150
Arkansas
2,509,793
Utah
2,000,494
New Mexico
1,713,407
Nebraska
1,652,093
Idaho
1,189,251
Montana
879,372
South Dakota
732,405
North Dakota
643,539
Wyoming
481,400
1/2 Mississippi
1,400,000



FREEDOM
IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE
SECURED IN ANY ONE
MOMENT OF TIME.
WE MUST STRUGGLE
TO PRESERVE IT EVERY DAY.
AND FREEDOM IS NEVER
MORE THAN ONE
GENERATION AWAY FROM
EXTINCTION.


RONALD REAGAN
JANUARY 15, 1983





Abortion Map of 2003

Exodus 23 Never put an innocent or honest person to death.
I will not allow anyone guilty of this to go free.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

78 posted on 11/13/2004 7:34:16 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Skywalk
But if they think they will ban abortion even up to the zygote level, they are fanatics who have no place making policy. The morning after pill is not a g-damn crime against humanity

So you would impose a RELIGIOUS test and ban all Orthodox Catholics ("fanatics who have no place making policy") from public policy debates? Again, I caution you that your use of the Name of God is offensive, most especially in the context of a discussion with and about the Catholic allies you have had up until now.

80 posted on 11/13/2004 7:36:23 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Skywalk
there's no gradients with these guys

Simple minds need to reduce everything to black-and-white.

105 posted on 11/13/2004 7:47:53 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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