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To: ApesForEvolution
I disagree.

We're trying to understand what it is the people who are threatening to leave the Republican Party regarding "abortion" actually want.

So far, I have heard overturn RvW, prohibit IUDs, ban birth control, and overthrow the US government and replace it with a Catholic monarchy.

Which do YOU support?
434 posted on 11/13/2004 10:57:41 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: ScholarWarrior

I support America seeing to it that murdering babies is a criminal act, punishable in a way we all deem productive and reasonable as all other heinous acts are treated.

I believe the best and only way is a Constitutional one.

Throw out the Constitutionally repugnant R v W cr@pola which makes something unlawful (murdering babies) into something legal (=lethal).

I'm not tied to the Catholic arguments myself, regarding birth control, etc. and don't see a need to go beyond recognizing conception, the union of a sperm and an egg, which if the baby's life from there progresses the way it's designed - 100% of the time a man or woman is the result

Unless of course a murder takes place.

How do we get there?

#1 Overturn R v W

It's been long enough now...


449 posted on 11/13/2004 11:07:05 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ScholarWarrior
"We're trying to understand what it is the people who are threatening to leave the Republican Party regarding "abortion" actually want."

For the record, I registered R this summer, for this election, for the 1st time in a LONG time...it'll be short lived it appears.
504 posted on 11/13/2004 11:34:17 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ScholarWarrior

Well, I started this hairball, so I will tell you what I really want.

I want the party to not let Arlen Specter take that seat, so that he can't block the pro-life, strict constructionist judges that the President will send up.

And if Specter takes the seat, I want the Republicans to prevent him from blocking those judges.

And when the Democrats filibuster, I want the Republicans to use the nuclear option to end those shenanigans and get those nominees a vote, up or down.

That's it. That's all.
Obviously I have a whole pro-life agenda that I would like to see enacted through the political process, once the dead hand of Roe is lifted off of the democracy, but I can tolerate political loss.

What I cannot tolerate is working my heart out for a pro-life party only to have its own internal procedural rules be used to elevate the most hostile pro-choice Senator to a position where he can block everything, with no clear assurances from the leadership that Specter WON'T be allowed to block everything.

This makes me think that I have been duped, and that my pro-choice loyalty to the Republicans makes me little different than a black bloc voter chump for the Democrats, who dutifully votes Democratic every time, and then has everything he believes in systematically ignored by politicians with "other priorities".

Stop Spector and the Republicans will have re-established their pro-life bona fides as far as I am concerned. Failing that, change the Senate filibuster rule on judges and that too will re-establish the Republicans' pro-life bona fides.

I believe that Bush, Cheney, Frist and the leadership ARE pro-life, and that Specter has thrown everyone a flaming blivit full of horse manure. But the leadership's hesitation about slapping him down to reassure us pro-life voters has me thinking that maybe I am just a chump.
I hope not.

I have some confidence that Frist gets it, and that Bush sees the chasm opening here, that they'll balance the interests and decide that one aging, fringe Senator is not worth potentially alienating an important bloc.

That's all I want: No Specter and a rule change.
With those things, I think democracy will eventually work things out.

Others may have different views.


781 posted on 11/13/2004 7:10:32 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Auta i Lome!)
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