Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.
We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.
To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.
And the overriding issue is abortion.
So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.
And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.
If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.
This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.
This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.
This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.
Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.
That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.
Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.
The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.
I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.
Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.
Capital punishment isn't murder. The commandment, once again for you slow ones, is "Thou shalt not murder," not "Thou shalt not kill."
When I was 18, I was a pro-abort. It's a convenience thing. There's nothing noble there. I even realized it at the time. My thinking was, yeah I'm probably taking a life, by it's my life to take, because that life depends on my existence. I was never deluded enough to think it was really my right, only my opportunity and convenience. Nothing noble, all base.
I was fortunate in that I was raised Catholic, had wonderful Nuns who would have laughed at the intellectual vacuity as I advanced my argument. Also, they would have said, lie to yourself on your time, we don't allow that here. Ditto for my Mom.
With age, and a greater proximity to one's mortality, wisdom has a better chance at emerging.
And let's face it, Science is not on the side of the pro-aborts. Cutting up babies in utero, and flushing them down some pipes to some sort of landfill cannot remain our legacy. Those babies are precious children of no lesser God.
You: Thankfully the majority of people in this country are smart enough to know such an opinion is asinine. If every person who is pro-life followed your way of thinking, we'd now have President Kerry and a Congress overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats. Then we could look forward to a Supreme Court controlled by hardcore liberals with maybe Thomas and Scalia the only conservatives left.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
The rock-solid core of the Grand Old Party is constituted of committed pro-lifers. They just won a victory of historic proportions.
Excuse us if we don't take kindly to a bunch of RINOs attempting to rob us of the fruit of that victory: The advancement of a return to a culture that respects innocent human life.
No, a Just War can exist. Read your theology or get out, troll.
To the baby, it makes no difference whether its life is 'gouged out' in a clean or a dirty environment.
"I don't think kjvail was referring to the U.S., its laws, government, people, and land mass as the subjects of that authority, were you, kj?"
Perhaps this will answer both questions.
Christians are called to be the "leaven in society" and "a light unto all nations"
Properly understood the role of government in society is to provide for the common good, with an eye towards man's "last end". This is expressed most eloquently by H.H. Pope Leo XIII in IMMORTALE DEI and in DIUTURNUM among others.
If so how does one know what God's will really is?If so, then who do we trust as the true interpreters of God's will and how will the enforcement take place?
God's will for mankind has been revealed to us in the deposit of faith which consists of the written Word (scripture), the spoken Word (Sacred Tradition) and the living Magesterium (synod of Bishops in union with the Pope) of the Holy Catholic Church.The Church founded on the "rock" of Peter was guaranteed, by Christ, for all time "never to pass away", "not even the gates of Hell" would prevail against it. Christ has been good to His word, the Catholic Church has endured for 2000 years despite the worst the world and Satan himself could throw at it. In matters of faith and morality She cannot teach error.
History of Western Civilization 101
The balance of power in society has always been a delicate matter between the Church and the civil power. By the late Middle Ages (11th - 14th centuries) a stable balance existed.
Kings (Queens and Emporers) regarded themselves as father's of their people. Their authority came from God, as approved by the Church. Their actions were circumscribed by the moral teachings of the Church. The political structure was an interwoven net of oaths and allegiances solidified by tradition. It was built on the principle of subsidiarity (decentralization).
It was a truly organically developed system that grew from the ruins of the western Roman Empire.
You might study The Holy Roman Empire for an example.
The Reformation and later Enlightenment secularism and liberalism shattered all that. The balance of power shifted and state became supreme, indeed unchallanged in modern secular democracies. The result has been war and atrocity on an unprecendented scale, in the 20th century alone those states murdered 200 million of their own citizens.
I accept the first clause, not the second.
Your rejection of the reality that the argument exists is irrational. We have no way to resolve it, so would you lose by default.
No, you are asserting the second clause as fact,
Read 'arguably' again. It means my second assertion is open to question.
-, that unborn human beings have no rights.
Straw man.. That's simply not true. At later stages of pregnancy the unborn child has rights, -- as Scott Peterson just found out.
-- We're done. Take the last word. Feel free to shoot down yet another position I haven't made.
No, abortion is murder. The death penalty is killing. The commandment proscribes murder, not killing. The OT called for capital punishment for quite a few things, including dishonoring one's father and mother. You can make social arguments for and against capital punishment; you can make legal arguments about it, but it's tough to pull one out of the Bible on it.
There was a time in America when we shared a common understanding of what was right and what was wrong. Even little kids know the difference. Of course, they have not yet been infected with the twisted thinking of the Left.
If morality had been an issue in this election cycle, Mr. Keyes would have done better in Illinois.
About 1.4 million Illinoisans understood the difference...even in the face of an avalanche of media, RAT and RINO scorn.
In fact, he turned out less votes than he should have.
Yeah, those so-called Repubublicans who followed the lead of their hardcore left leaders and supported Obama should be ashamed.
That is a clue to what doesn't ail us Republicans--and to what issues concern Americans.
Believe me, comparing yourselves to the corrupt leaders of the IL GOP is not a flattering picture.
Fact is, Illinois is at least a decade behind the moral and the political curve. The corruption is long-standing in both parties, and won't be cured easily or quickly.
Hate to quote a Democrat, but can't resist in this case:
I just keep telling them the truth, and they think it's hell! ;-)
Dear tpaine,
I accept that the argument exists, I just assign no validity to the argument. It is a counter-factual argument. Thus, no merit is given to it, no weight assigned to it.
You could also say, "Do you accept the fact that the earth is made out of an abundance of different sorts of materials, and that the moon arguably is made out of green cheese."
There! If you said such a thing, the argument that the moon is made out of green cheese would exist! That doesn't mean anyone is obligated to pay attention to it.
You may assert whatever you wish, that doesn't mean I have to give it any credence whatsoever.
Folks asked Abraham Lincoln, "If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a cow have?"
He answered, "Four. Just because you call a tail a leg doesn't make it one."
"Your rejection of the reality that the argument exists is irrational."
Actually, your making an obviously false argument is irrational. I suppose that it is you that loses by default.
As does any argument that tries to make legitimate a legal "right" to procuring the death of one's unborn child.
sitetest
You assert fact A and then fact B and suppose causation. The 19th and 20th centuries saw war and atrocity on an unprecedented scale because our weapons got better, not because we got worse. The Roman church has perpetrated quite a few of its own atrocities and on a fairly large scale for the times...perhaps the capacity to sin lies equally in all of us?
Thanks for the history, kjvail. Can you give me a simple 'yes' or 'no' to my question? Thank you.
Fogitaboudit. Those who think the GOP is pro-life will be continuously disappointed. Using a Moynihan phrase 'it is boob bait for the bubbas'.
Luddite.
Yeah, and you want to know what the Republicans thought the most Grave issue surrounding abortion was in 1970?
Cheer up, part of the Episcopal Church will separate and return to the world communion in a healthy manner. Change is good.
I'm not too worried about it. The Church manages to survive everything we throw at it. Of course that is the Church Catholic, not the Roman Catholic church. ;>)
Luis Gonzalez; cpforlife.org
Since the GOP Platform is congruent with his post, why isn't the onus on you to answer that question?
Hey... Yeah....Narses is right...as usual!
Luis answer the Question!!!!!!
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